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thank you

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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back uh it is a special night at

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least for me and I hope it will be for

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you too I grew up uh watching uh so much

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of the work of tonight's guests uh

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whether it was uh fact or fiction uh

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Unsolved Mysteries and of course the

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most famous the probably the highest

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rated television show about UFOs and

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aliens that ever was broadcast alien

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autopsy uh he has been involved in so

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many projects and it is really it's safe

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to say that if not for tonight's guests

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true Seekers would not exist I was

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heavily inspired by the television shows

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that he wrote and produced for uh and

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especially you guys all know this what a

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fan of Unsolved Mysteries I was I have

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fond memories growing up of watching

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that show every week it was all every

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time it was on my father and I who never

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agreed on anything would agree to sit

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down and spend quality time together

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exploring the strange Mysteries that the

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show always presented

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he's quite a controversial figure and uh

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he's making quite a comeback lately with

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some exciting new projects that he's

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going to be discussing with us tonight

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we're going to get the inside baseball

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on his new projects but I would like to

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explore some of his amazing history and

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I welcome you to come along with us Mr

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Robert good to see you nice to be with

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you Steve and that was very touching I

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appreciated that little yeah Mr kibiot

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it's I joked with him off air friends I

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said when when I'm gonna meet Robert in

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person and when I do I'm not sure if I'm

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going to hug him and thank him for

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sending me down this strange mysterious

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Road or if I'm gonna punch him in the

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face right

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I I feel that I understand that Steve I

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get it so before we get to your new

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projects I gotta ask you a few questions

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about some of your old projects like how

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did how how did you come up with some of

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these Concepts and get them on

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television and remember for those

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unaware there was a time when this was a

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very taboo subject you couldn't have a

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television show about these things you

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couldn't really explore them in a in a

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real professional and scientific way it

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was the stuff of just tabloids before

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you got here right well my kind of

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career Arc is pretty simple to

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understand I was a journalist at College

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grabbed my college paper a big State

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School in New York

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um I freaked out the professors one day

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when they came and said hey Bob you were

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elected editor-in-chief of the newspaper

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what do you think the most important

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stories are right now for people your

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age 18 to 26 you know and I said well

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it's funny you should say that way

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because they were talking about the

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draft back then and I said you know the

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two most important story I think

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Professor would be uh or we could have a

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nuclear war in my lifetime maybe even I

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think and maybe the aliens may come back

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come back or even for the first time and

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save us from that so he looked at me

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like I was a martian I appreciated that

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look but uh I did believe what I said I

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do believe that

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there's a connection between UFOs the

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sightings that happened in the 40s 50s

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Enola Gay took off pretty much from

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Roswell to drop the bomb on Hiroshima

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and as far as you can tell if an alien

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race is looking at the Earth and sees a

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plane go kill hundreds of thousands of

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people with a nuclear bomb that may be a

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moment in our history they may want to

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start looking more carefully at us or

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not so when I said that to that

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Professor I had no goal to go into this

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business I never wanted to do it in fact

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I was motivated by a by a special that

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was on actually it was a documentary I

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believe on in the late in the late 80s

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and it was on I saw it earlier than

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believe in it I started actually in the

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early 80s at College where literally I

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saw a show called UFOs are real and in

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that documentation I've seen that I got

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in my collection yeah in that

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documentary you had a lot of ups and

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downs I'm not going to say it was great

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but there was one guy Dr Bruce mcabee a

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Navy Optical physicist so we'll talk

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about a little bit later and he

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impressed me so much that I said to my

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girlfriend at the time I said you know

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what if that guy can make a career

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looking at the UFOs instead of leaving

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the Navy Optical physic physicist

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history and stuff then I want to be with

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a guy like that but I forgot about that

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advertising industry and luckily my dad

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gurus in the industry he was number one

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in photo retouching his businesses were

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advertising agency in New York so I grew

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up with these guys who could literally

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take a picture change it so well you

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was not you couldn't tell art directors

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mistake somewhere they need more trees

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whatever and my dad's people could do

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that with paints brushes and all that

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college years of college I was helping

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my dad's business so I said to my dad

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along sooner or later you'll be able to

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put like a UFO in there no one will know

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the difference he goes really so I did a

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test with an artist they were amazed me

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it was just a test I was kind of like

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just joking well we went ahead and used

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cigarette ads all kinds of Major Brands

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but in the back of my mind

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so you were hoaxing UFO videos those are

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her commercials that's fun I didn't do

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any of that but we were we were if you

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want to say we're hoaxing an ad no I'm

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kidding of course yeah but however I

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started to look into alleged UFO cases

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and I said some of these are so

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photographic with shadows and

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everything's great resolution looks

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between a real image to a degree and one

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that's fake now that motivated me so you

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have to kind of get our chops back so I

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newspaper for like a year I was making

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writing you know front page stories for

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a local newspaper on Long Island just to

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get my chops back well got my chops back

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sent one letter a query letter into Omni

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magazine in New York about the face on

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Mars they said great you can get NASA to

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talk about the face on Mars and those

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probably saw that growing up like that

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yeah that had Omni Popular Science and

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Popular Mechanics and every month I

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couldn't wait for those three to arrive

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and I'm sure I remember something about

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the face of Mars I might have seen that

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as a kid yeah yeah so so that was the

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article that kind of launched me in

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print media I was my first feature

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article that I wrote out of college

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pretty much and that became the cover

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article for that Edition we'll get back

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to that a little bit later because

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there's a meaning why I think that

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motivated me even further with his Dr

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Bruce Maccabee which I'll tell you the

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same guy that was in UFO is a real was

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profiled in that same Edition where my

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cover article led the led the Edition

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but inside that magazine was a very

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interesting article about Bruce Maccabee

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and Ron pandor Alfie at the CIA and I

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said to myself there's two people I want

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to meet eventually but did not do that

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you know later I said you know what it's

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time to make the big plunge and for

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those unaware Bruce Maccabee is is like

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the image analyst for UFOs and pandolfi

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was the CIA weird desk guy well we'll

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get to that later I don't know I don't

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know if Ron wants anyone to believe that

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he runs a weird desk which he denies and

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well that's what people attribute to him

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but there's a better way

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there's a better way to explain that and

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you know I meant no disrespect I just

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people say oh he's kind of this mythical

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guy you know look he's a pretty simple

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um when it comes to with me anyway we

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had a very interesting get to know you

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period which we can get into later

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through a lawsuit that really was not

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really uh aimed at Ron it was aimed at a

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guy who is known to be fraudulently

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faking a anti-gravity machine which may

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or may not have any validity at all but

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this individual decided to kind of make

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a living off this machine at different

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times he's not the only one by the way

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there's a guy who's running skins free

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energy and anti-gravity scams all over

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oh yeah and there is a connection I I oh

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my god the guy who's I'm not going to

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mention his name because apparently he

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likes to threaten everybody so I'm not

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going to give him any extra motivation

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tonight

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but when you watch the show Skinwalker

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Ranch on History Channel whether they

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call that thing let me tell you right

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now Skinwalker Ranch is one of the least

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evidenced mystery areas of the world

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there's almost nothing to say anything

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there I agree with people like George

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times not lately of course because now

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it appears to be a business model for

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these people to kind of get old cases

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that people like me and network

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television would never touch in a minute

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like the models are Bob Lazar the

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implant okay implant number 17 whatever

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you want to call that guy

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um Skinwalker Ranch I think we know

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who's behind some of those new but old

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things that are coming out and these are

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all stories that you passed on when you

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were in a position to make big TV shows

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right nothing there they didn't there's

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no there there there's absolutely

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nothing there but an interesting kind of

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like you know Campfire story if you want

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to go have a nice campfire and talk

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about something wonderful but when

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you're asking for evidence that you can

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bring it to a courtroom

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that's a different story and so every

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one of the stories I've ever done on

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television Steve has some kind of

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evidence film video audio if it doesn't

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have film video or audio as my staff

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would say Bob ain't touching it so there

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has to be that and if you don't have

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that great but then now with the new

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YouTube digital technology all that

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stuff you have to be a really good

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consumer to really know what you're

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looking at and that's why I took a break

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for a while I wanted to see what we

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could do well it's about to get worse

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with AI image generators that's just a

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recent the 1947 Roswell images instantly

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five minutes after they posted it we

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busted it is Steve I'm a little

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wondering though that is such a hokey

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looking image without you even pointing

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out the AI aspects of it and the

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strangeness of it who in that right mind

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would look at that as opposed to well I

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saw a comment from somebody wearing the

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waiting room room when I was waiting I

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saw a comment from someone on on the

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alive feed here right

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who would believe the alien autopsy let

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me tell you something about the alien

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autopsy a full pathologist it was

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absolutely this was something that I was

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showing to guys in the pathology in an

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area and they were saying it looked like

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a real autopsy now there are a lot of

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people who can point fingers at it now

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and say all kinds of things but we did

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our job at the Fox network we showed it

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and then we debunked it in Ashoka

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world's greatest hoaxes it took us three

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years to really get details because it

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was a well-crafted fraud santilly the

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guy behind the film had a Cadre of

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people on his payroll and some of those

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people promised all kinds of secrecy and

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it took us a while to crack through that

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and some other day maybe we'll do a

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whole alien autopsy thing because

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there's a story there that people can

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learn from and you can learn that if you

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start seeing behavior and you start

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seeing things the trouble is you may

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have to wait a year two or three so you

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can't jump on everything and go oh

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that's real that's not it may take a

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little time that's all I'm saying let me

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take a look well there seems to be this

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excuse that some people give that

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they're just putting it out there and

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seeing what people think and it's it's

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another it's an excuse for garbage

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pedals it's ridiculous by the way I find

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that to be absurd but I hear things like

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that I laugh at people and go what could

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you what why would you believe it what's

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the reason you believe it I'd love to

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hear the reason anybody would believe

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it's called Cash Mr kiviat lots and lots

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of YouTube pennies add up you know I

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guess you're right because if the way I

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describe some of those lit stories that

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I would never have done years ago that

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people have now kind of regurgitating

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they're getting some play and they're

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making money so in ways that are Way

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Beyond YouTube we can talk about that

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today too so I mean at this point right

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now it's time for me to step up

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take on what's really going on educate

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the public to what could be real

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evidence of phenomena and I'll explain

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mystery and what could be thrown out in

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any courtroom hearing before anybody

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gets near an actual trial

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yeah I see here's the thing Mr kiviat I

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go back and forth like I I I agree

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there's a real phenomenon here but I

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think that a huge problem here is all

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the garbage Peddlers rushing in to fill

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the void there's such a hunger for this

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information that they would rush in they

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fill the void full of garbage and and

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we're all supposed to uh you know I I

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don't understand like I I want to hear

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serious research I want to see evidence

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I want to you know but these places

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storytellers you know let me tell you

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where some of the responsibility lies

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and if you look at some of the new shows

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we're working on now which will be

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released as feature documentaries not

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you know the Fox network and I had

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meetings up until three weeks ago

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Fox network to return to the Fox network

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and do some more shows for them and

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their attitude was I'm not going to say

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who said it but I'm going to tell you

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what was said they looked into UFOs and

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somehow UFOs don't have that popularity

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that he used to have when I was doing my

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shows and I said you know tell me more

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and there appears to be a combination

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going on between what another Fox guy

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told me a few years ago and what the

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recent gentleman told me on the phone

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and that is that cable television has

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glommed onto this material with

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absolutely no sense of uh accuracy

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authenticity none of that we used to

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have what's called broadcast standards

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and practices at the Fox network a woman

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named Darlene I could never give her

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anything that would look even remotely

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like the shows that you're seeing

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Skinwalker Ranch unidentified let me

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tell you about the unidentified three

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videos allegedly coming from Lou

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Elizondo and and Christopher melon

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essentially these three videos that

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everyone's talking about UAP videos if I

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walked into the Fox network years ago

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with these three videos they would have

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thrown me out really they wouldn't have

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accepted those as evidence

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no Providence at all

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these would give us to quote Chris melon

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it was all a deal constructed in a

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parking lot these videos were handed

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over in a parking lot nobody really

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knows where they came from around them

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largely no no the woman at the um at the

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Pentagon has been tasked yeah to go over

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this very replies to my emails

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and the best she's told me and a

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plethora of other people with

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credibility is that it appears it was in

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the Pentagon or on the Pentagon server

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it appears it came for at one point it

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was on the server where it came from

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exactly which missions were they

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specifically and what kind of missions

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were they and what were they actually

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doing and what's in the video

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potentially none of that has been

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revealed she has no idea no but we hear

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vague stories and and claims that go

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along with them that are that never

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solidify like oh there's radar tapes and

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there's there's sensor data but we never

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get that we get blurry

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in just two specials on the Fox network

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shows that Unsolved Mysteries a plethora

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of UFO shows they did for Unsolved

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Mysteries any of those stories with real

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video

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has so much more evidence in these three

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videos they released in fact we're going

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to be doing a movie Down the Road

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where we're going to take these 50 60

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cases amazing cases every video has

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people Witnesses some Mass sightings I

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mean come on compared to these three

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cockamami videos that may indeed show

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some kind of test I mean the go fast

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Job showing that the go fast video is

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not going fast at all it's a small

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little thing let's let's throw that one

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out the water New York Times didn't even

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write about that okay yeah and then we

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have one that was released originally in

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2007 so it wasn't new well then you're

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right the 2007 video that appeared on

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Above Top Secret it's almost ridiculous

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the two videos that you call gimbal

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and then we and then we have

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I mean the the video from 2007. I mean

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this is I wish of all the people in the

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world besides you Steve that I know you

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care a lot that would love to prove UFOs

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are from God knows where and our

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government's covering it up or it's just

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an unknown mystery but we don't know

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what it is but we can't explain it we

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would love evidence that we could say

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back to what I heard from the Fox

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network recently and and a few more

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years ago it looks like the Public's

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pretty smart from shows that I've aired

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other people have done they know they

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know and something doesn't smell right

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they kind of get it when someone shows

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up on CNN going look I retired from the

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Pentagon I want the world to know UFOs

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she just switched government jobs he

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didn't actually retire from work I think

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let's be career

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first this guy hold on this guy uh

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according to sugoff what's this she told

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me Bob never worked for anything called

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atip had no supervisor role anywhere

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she was they were debating a couple of

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years ago before the pandemic

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whether to bring him up on some kind of

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charges because he apparently did some

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tomfoolery to get access to whatever

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these videos are there's a very strange

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kind of like email that he wrote to try

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to get uh released and basically when he

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gets the release it says these are

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internal use only yeah yeah and all

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these are unmanned Vehicles balloons

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drones

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you know what the old expression When

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someone tells you something believe them

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so where's the mystery exactly where the

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mystery is conflated or concocted by a

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group called ttsa a guy like a pal put

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off Hal put off used to be number one

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guy trying to build money from the

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government to test psychic power

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and Mr kibiak I say it all the time he

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gets wasted tens of thousands of dollars

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studying Yuri Geller and then he

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declared that his superpowers were real

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and years later uh Yuri Geller all but

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admitted that he used children's magic

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tricks to full output off yeah so that's

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how smart that guy is right so basically

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Ron pandolfi who I got to know because

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what occurred was though he was written

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up in this magazine years ago with Bruce

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mcavey I told you that the one I read

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from the magazine I always wanted to

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meet Ron felt it was a good idea

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eventually and and one thing led to

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another and I went through a little bit

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of a six six month learning curve with a

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company in Salt Lake City that had Joe

510
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firmage from yesteryear a former very

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very rich guy who threw a lot of money

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into the UFO Community Joe should always

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get credit for at least maybe gullibly

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but he wanted to try to bring UFOs

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funded a lot of people he funded a lot

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of people he gave a lot of money to guys

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that you named a few you know I'm not

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going to name them but you've named a

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few and they're they're people actually

520
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kissing this guy's you know what but Joe

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got I think caught up in life problems

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and basically lost most of his money but

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still held on to a concept that he could

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recreate some kind of test with this

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gravity machine ain't a gravity machine

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and he came out with another round of it

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when in 2010

528
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guess who was supporting him in this

529
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,240
again and another guy by the way who now

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runs Skinwalker Ranch

531
00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:59,159
yeah who owns Skinwalker Ranch yes other

532
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:01,320
people everybody just asked if that guy

533
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was involved and yes he was well look I

534
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mean he wants to know tell people what

535
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:08,039
he proved it was not real but after

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raising in his own words lots of money

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to try to make it real and he couldn't

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make it real and then when Joe turned

539
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out to be not real well whatever so Joe

540
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came back in 2016 he wanted to try to

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redo this again he put all kinds of

542
00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:27,179
Misses out there in the media I happened

543
00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:30,120
to catch one on LinkedIn I contacted him

544
00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:31,799
he said I'll tell you what I'd love you

545
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,299
to do Bob with your background why don't

546
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:35,220
you be my kind of like Communications

547
00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:38,340
guy help me kind of create a studio like

548
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:40,860
this group called ttsa I said it's funny

549
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:42,179
you should mention them what do you make

550
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,860
of them that's before they came out with

551
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:45,780
the videos by the way he says let me

552
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,820
tell you what I feel about them Hal put

553
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,159
off work with me I used to work without

554
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:52,620
putoff they stole my name

555
00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:55,620
Joe had a company called The Academy of

556
00:23:02,510 --> 00:22:59,480
Arts and Sciences very similar to this

557
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,520
sometimes Mr kimiak if these guys ever

558
00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:04,500
had an original idea it would die of

559
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,260
loneliness I swear right well yeah but

560
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:08,880
again the kind of people that we're

561
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,340
describing now and I'm not gonna pick on

562
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,679
anyone personally but if you believe is

563
00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:15,120
anything happening at Skinwalker Ranch

564
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:17,340
and you believe that something happening

565
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:19,500
with anti-gravity machines and you're

566
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:22,260
the same guy I don't know if you don't

567
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:23,640
prove that

568
00:23:28,370 --> 00:23:26,280
people have a lot of explaining to do so

569
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,380
and how put off was a well-known

570
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,840
Scientologist too which is just wacky

571
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,039
that means he'll believe anything

572
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:34,080
apparently you know right so History

573
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,179
channel has done something that's helped

574
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:38,760
in my opinion has enabled the people

575
00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:40,860
like the cusses brothers because they're

576
00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:42,780
no better they're not checking their

577
00:23:47,289 --> 00:23:45,299
facts I don't even know you were very

578
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,299
aware of them

579
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,240
I watched a show unidentified season one

580
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,860
I was nauseous for most of it because

581
00:23:57,649 --> 00:23:54,900
you could tell they had done no research

582
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,659
it turned out that the lungs group more

583
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:59,520
or less helped produce the show and my

584
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:00,840
understanding is that I wanna don't

585
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,760
quote me here but I'm hearing through

586
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,440
the TV Grapevine that one of the top

587
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,419
Executives from the show didn't want to

588
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:07,440
be part of the show when he realized

589
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,659
what was going on he went this is like

590
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:11,280
I'm not going to say he said if it's

591
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,059
like an infomercial you sell the concept

592
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,580
to the network you provide all the

593
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:19,679
people you say you've got all the

594
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:20,700
research

595
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,100
it it's like an infomercial so yeah

596
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:26,640
there was no research really yeah by the

597
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,940
way an infomercial that according to a

598
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:32,640
congresswoman from Ohio Joyce Beatty she

599
00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:35,460
went on the house floor in 2019 and said

600
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:37,940
essentially without naming that by name

601
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:43,320
ttsa is a regulation a plus stock scheme

602
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:45,960
so yeah the New York Times History

603
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:48,900
Channel enabling a stock scheme

604
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,580
according to a congresswoman from Ohio

605
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,380
I'm real big on talking about how they

606
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:57,360
promised everybody a spaceship with a

607
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:58,980
revolutionary power source that would

608
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,419
change the world while they were

609
00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:03,120
soliciting public investment right that

610
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:05,880
if you were if if normal people did this

611
00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:08,580
they would be in prison but somehow I

612
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,380
guess it's because of Christopher

613
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,240
mellon's involvement and all the CIA

614
00:25:15,649 --> 00:25:13,919
people's involvement in that

615
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,659
organization they didn't maybe they

616
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:17,700
didn't want to push it or press it or

617
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:20,100
prosecute but I don't understand how you

618
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,900
could stand there and promise a

619
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,400
spaceship and then never deliver

620
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:25,919
anything I'll tell you how you do it you

621
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,620
do it the way they did it with ttsa they

622
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,440
took 22 million dollars

623
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:33,840
from a little sweetheart deal Harry Reid

624
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:37,080
created with two other Sailors they

625
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:40,020
faked an air swap asthma first of all

626
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,940
was supposed to be as we'll tell by the

627
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:44,880
way all right so spoiler alert I have a

628
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:46,740
show that we pitched the Fox network

629
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,450
okay it was born out of a meeting I must

630
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,500
be honest with a very nice executive at

631
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:57,240
Discovery Channel when this was all

632
00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,400
breaking a few years ago in the meeting

633
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:01,740
he says to me Bob this is like a

634
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:04,140
political thing mixed in with UFOs so on

635
00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:05,820
the plane ride back to L.A I'm thinking

636
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,380
I'm thinking your politics

637
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,120
so I told somebody someone you know Cal

638
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:15,120
core that idea he loved it he put

639
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:17,460
together a little bit of a of a of a um

640
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,220
of a video screener really and we was

641
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,440
trying to kicking it around Cal and I

642
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,600
know each other a long time he broke the

643
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:26,880
Billy Meyer fraud for me and world's

644
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:30,179
greatest hoaxes he helped bring

645
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,539
information about a Patterson Bigfoot

646
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,299
film that I may be having to reassess

647
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:38,700
which I'll let you know about today but

648
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:41,580
how Cal excuse me calcorf and people

649
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:44,700
like you keep everybody honesty even

650
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,159
it's very important that you do that

651
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,200
when you have people and I'll I'll give

652
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,600
the guy who who's starring in Skinwalker

653
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,820
Ranch and who was involved with firmage

654
00:26:58,669 --> 00:26:56,400
I'll give him some credit he speaks very

655
00:27:02,029 --> 00:26:58,679
eloquently he has a nice presentation

656
00:27:05,409 --> 00:27:02,039
it's all very good evidence

657
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,419
in terms of provable scientific

658
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,159
verifiable which you need to have in

659
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:10,159
science

660
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,860
ridiculous so if you buy skin like a

661
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:16,200
ranch and my suspicion is that how put

662
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,220
off connected him with Bob Bigelow

663
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:22,620
because Bob Bigelow how would he know

664
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:24,360
him the only way you would know these

665
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:26,700
people is through Joe firmage who is

666
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,640
very very close to how put off so these

667
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,440
people have been sort of like

668
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:33,900
foisted Into My Reality Steve I didn't

669
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:37,020
exactly want this but I learned by

670
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,700
dealing with Joe he signed me to a

671
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,520
contract to be a media Studio consultant

672
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:44,220
and kind of a everyday thing

673
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:45,900
um when I realized he couldn't pay the

674
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:48,600
contract he signed that my Beverly Hills

675
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,659
attorney approved he couldn't sign he

676
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,240
couldn't pay me the money he owed me I

677
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:56,460
sued him and whoever was associated with

678
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:01,020
him he said that Ron was with him

679
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,960
so I assumed that Ron would be at least

680
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:06,960
reacting to the lawsuit well he reacted

681
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,720
all right Ron let me know he had nothing

682
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:11,760
to do with furbish's new round of

683
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:13,559
anti-gravity BS

684
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:16,679
he said that Joe used him uses

685
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,740
Association use friendly phone calls

686
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,900
that John would make to him because he

687
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,760
checked in on him now and then they know

688
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:25,679
each other over many years they consider

689
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,919
himself friends so my understanding is

690
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:30,720
that there was some kind of legitimate

691
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:33,720
work that Joe did years ago Joe was

692
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,559
actually a very prominent web early app

693
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,320
guy he was very early in the game with

694
00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:42,720
webs and apps and Consulting and all of

695
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,419
that so I mean you could almost see how

696
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,059
government people may need help from

697
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,580
that I'm just speculating but what I do

698
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,279
believe is when Ron finally read me the

699
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,740
riot act and what really was going on I

700
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:58,320
dropped him out of the lawsuit I dealt

701
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,640
with the firm his issues separately

702
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:02,159
that's sort of an oh clear thing I don't

703
00:29:05,149 --> 00:29:03,059
know if I'm going to look forward with

704
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:05,159
that anymore at this point the pandemic

705
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,840
happened right in the middle of it so

706
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:08,220
I'm not quite sure if I want to continue

707
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:10,380
but I'm going to be honest with you Ron

708
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,500
and I've gotten to be fairly close one

709
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,539
that we're going to do for sure is

710
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:17,700
something along this eupolitics feature

711
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:20,340
film uh we're going to release it with a

712
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,440
very unique way that we're also going to

713
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,240
be releasing a few other movies and I'll

714
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:25,919
tell you all about that tonight too but

715
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,960
the eupholithics deferring the

716
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,720
government the media and the public is

717
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:33,299
going to be a mostly set the record

718
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:35,399
straight kind of thing no one's saying

719
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,980
UFOs are not a real mystery no one's

720
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,840
saying there isn't something here but

721
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:41,760
you've got to be really a good consumer

722
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:43,620
and you've got to get rid of the BS

723
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,779
before you can move into the real good

724
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,419
stuff yeah there's it's just so I joke

725
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,360
that there's an epidemic of this uh of

726
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,240
of just UFO hucksters out there that's

727
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,820
just anything to sell a story it does

728
00:30:01,789 --> 00:30:00,000
it's it's it's discouraging and my

729
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,799
audience gets frustrated with me because

730
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:03,960
you know I start investigating a story

731
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:06,179
and then I report the results it's not

732
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,340
my fault if so much of it is fake you

733
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:10,980
know no doubt but but you're calling out

734
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:12,299
the people that are doing it now

735
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,039
blatantly and blatantly is absurd these

736
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,200
two guys in Hawaii if they're still

737
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:23,279
there these two colors I mean imagine

738
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:24,899
this so let me get let me go back in

739
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:26,179
time here

740
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:28,380
2009 or so

741
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,779
I had the opportunity to develop a

742
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,120
series with one of the executives who

743
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:36,240
was on my show alien autopsy he was the

744
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,539
line producer on alien autopsy he

745
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,340
actually used that a lot to get to get

746
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,960
into many meetings and he got himself

747
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,240
jobs at many points and it wasn't at the

748
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,799
highest rate I'm sorry to interrupt you

749
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:49,380
wasn't at the highest rating television

750
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,380
show about UFOs or aliens ever to this

751
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:55,200
day I'll just quote Mike Darnell who cut

752
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,940
his teeth on my shows and became the

753
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,799
head of American Idol at Fox years later

754
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:01,020
and made himself very successful Mike

755
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,539
Darnell was at a uh event uh maybe three

756
00:31:07,690 --> 00:31:05,940
four years ago and he told everyone at

757
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:07,700
the TV Academy that was honoring him

758
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,480
alien autopsy aired five times it rated

759
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:15,840
every time there is no doubt it is the

760
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:18,980
highest rated single

761
00:31:24,909 --> 00:31:22,140
documentary on UFO related stuff ever

762
00:31:27,289 --> 00:31:24,919
aired not even close it's like not even

763
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:27,299
do you feel a little bit of pressure to

764
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,100
top that now with your new projects

765
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:31,200
that's going to be hard to top that let

766
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,720
me tell you about that project the time

767
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:35,580
when that came out

768
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,600
people were buzzing about UFOs people

769
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,000
were shooting Steve people were shooting

770
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:44,940
with their hands kill handcuffed excuse

771
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:49,020
me they're handheld VHS cameras yeah VHS

772
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:51,299
cameras I had one they were getting

773
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,179
footage from all over the world at a

774
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,460
level that makes our present world look

775
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,919
empty now why is that I don't know

776
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,200
Steven Spielberg went out years ago and

777
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:03,419
said ironically when he was doing the

778
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:06,419
promotion for that I love Stephen

779
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:07,740
telling you right now like everybody

780
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,460
great filmmaker the word sci-fi movie

781
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,159
not UFO not alien the worst sci-fi movie

782
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,679
I've ever watched I think is the remake

783
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,480
of War of the Worlds that Stephen did no

784
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:20,220
offense I didn't like that and you know

785
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,240
what it might have had something to do

786
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,580
with that I'm not a fan of Tom Cruise or

787
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,080
you know I'm gonna say something to the

788
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:27,000
wreck for the record here something

789
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:28,860
happened to Stephen

790
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:32,520
that he would make such a downer really

791
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,220
like kind of like gut-wrenchingly almost

792
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:37,380
gory I mean in many ways of the blood

793
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:40,200
and the spewing of blood coming out of

794
00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:41,820
those you know creature or whatever

795
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,360
those were those uh mechanical machines

796
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:47,460
and all I can say is Steven was running

797
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,980
around 2006 saying something very

798
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:51,779
interesting he's saying you know I don't

799
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,539
know about UFOs anymore because I would

800
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:56,940
have thought by now we'd have more with

801
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:58,740
the you know cameras on our phones

802
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:01,500
wasn't quite as many then 2006 of this

803
00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:03,419
now but he was saying you'd think

804
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:06,419
there'd be more videos of UFOs and there

805
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,000
is an interesting concept here Steve uh

806
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,000
there does seem to be less everyday man

807
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:14,880
shooting a video with their shell Cam

808
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:23,210
in your pocket now and back then it was

809
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,019
rare that somebody had I had a little

810
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,380
vhsc and and I I remember I had to save

811
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:30,480
up for it was so expensive but I wanted

812
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,279
it because it was small it wasn't like

813
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,000
the full-size VHS yeah

814
00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:38,399
we get no more better or no more or

815
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,500
better footage than we did back in the

816
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:43,679
80s and 90s it's it's a concept that I

817
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:46,440
think Stephen is not wrong to mention I

818
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,179
would simplify and say that in the last

819
00:33:54,190 --> 00:33:51,120
14 15 years since he said that there's

820
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:54,200
been a dearth there's not as many videos

821
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,539
coming to people like me who can make

822
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,720
Network TV material out of it show it to

823
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:02,640
people like Dr Bruce mcabee or Bob

824
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:05,399
formerly Bob Nathan at Nasa he's not

825
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:07,260
there I don't believe anymore but I

826
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,780
think the bottom line is it almost

827
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:11,760
becomes incumbent upon us to ask the

828
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,060
question why are we not seeing as many

829
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,000
videos today when we have ubiquitous

830
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,159
high definition camera

831
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:22,320
called the cell phone iPhone whatever

832
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:25,080
Android whatever compared to when people

833
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,179
were just holding their VHS cameras and

834
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:29,399
their hi-8 cameras and getting a

835
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:32,520
plethora of video now I can speculate on

836
00:34:36,829 --> 00:34:34,740
that I will do that if you want tonight

837
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:36,839
but we are going to do something that I

838
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:38,220
think is important for the public in

839
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:40,619
light of that New York Times History

840
00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:44,820
Channel supported scam called ttsa and

841
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,679
those two videos that by the way

842
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,200
according to my old Network whatever's

843
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,280
caused it UFOs are not as popular as you

844
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:55,619
may think Steve yeah according to people

845
00:34:59,290 --> 00:34:58,619
on UFO Twitter it's super popular right

846
00:35:03,470 --> 00:34:59,300
now

847
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:03,480
what you want to look at UFOs have

848
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,080
always kept a very very

849
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:09,359
Baseline popularity Society all you got

850
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,000
to do is go to Google Trends and see

851
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,980
it's still there don't get me wrong I'm

852
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,599
not saying the executives told me that

853
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,220
told me that is a hundred percent

854
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,800
correct there's a lot of kind of like

855
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:22,320
ways you can massage that data but the

856
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:23,579
one thing you can see if you look at

857
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,660
Google Trends UAP doesn't even come on

858
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,160
the chart

859
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:32,240
so uaps have kind of like

860
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,420
you know glommed over UFOs now you

861
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:38,400
wonder was that intentional when Hillary

862
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:41,099
Clinton went on Jimmy Kimmel in 2016 and

863
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:44,579
said I remember there's a new uaps now

864
00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:47,220
yeah and Jimmy goes no no no no no I

865
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:49,320
like UFOs better now let me tell you why

866
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,200
because that's already what we know is

867
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,200
what we understand so if you're trying

868
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:58,560
to gauge popularity at a network and

869
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:00,180
you're looking at the last couple of

870
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:04,980
years and Lou Elizondo is the grand

871
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:09,060
whatever master of UFO information you

872
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:10,440
can kind of see why things are going

873
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,690
yeah 2009 this uh former line producer

874
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,560
for me for alien autopsy and worked on a

875
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,680
few of my shows he called me up one day

876
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:36,960
actually let me repeat let me rephrase

877
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:40,619
that it was like 2008

878
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:42,900
um he asked me could you come meet with

879
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,760
me I just got this job at Sci-fi channel

880
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:47,040
can you meet with me I want to do a

881
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:48,780
series I said well what would you like

882
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,160
to be Tim he said I like it to be like

883
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:55,380
alien autopsy every week

884
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,680
I said that's great too yeah yeah well

885
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,320
it's not going to happen right so I went

886
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,780
up there had a meeting with him we kind

887
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,060
of like figured out what would be an

888
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:08,520
interesting kind of show I created a

889
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,160
reel where I played the part

890
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,440
of the guy in the room if you know what

891
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,119
the show Fact or Faked eventually became

892
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:17,820
yeah it was a group of people around the

893
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:19,800
researchers all around one guy he's kind

894
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:21,540
of like leading them through it they're

895
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,579
choosing which of the five or six videos

896
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:25,619
look interesting enough to go

897
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,820
investigate

898
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:29,520
and that was the show handed in the Reel

899
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,619
went off on my life they didn't want to

900
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,720
do anything for a while finally I get a

901
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,760
call come up for a meeting somebody

902
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,680
wanted me something for meeting turns

903
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:39,119
out they decided the green light to show

904
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,859
they're going to call it eventually

905
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:43,020
Factor fake they wanted me to team up

906
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:44,339
with another production Group which I

907
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,619
did I teamed with this guy these guys

908
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,079
and we then started this show called

909
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:51,720
Fact or Faked they hired a bunch of

910
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:54,599
people to be the investigators I was the

911
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,000
main content producer for the show and

912
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,980
one day don't forget the concept of fact

913
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,359
or fake you can still see it on many

914
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:02,940
different platforms sure fact or fake is

915
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,099
when you look at a bunch of videos and

916
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,200
we choose which one we want to look into

917
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,800
so in the early round of this show a

918
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,960
video comes in from away

919
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:15,119
and I look at it I go you gotta be

920
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:17,220
kidding it was like a little creeper

921
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:19,380
like like a little alien looking

922
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,040
creature behind some trees in the

923
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,740
Hawaiian like you know Bush and I went

924
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:27,480
you gotta be kidding you're not gonna

925
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:29,400
put that on the show forget that they

926
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,619
sent another one in they kept sending

927
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:33,300
them in finally this woman who used to

928
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,560
work with me and then she's worked for

929
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,380
this new show she said to me Mom these

930
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:38,940
things look like they're like they're

931
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:42,060
they're manufactured so we let them know

932
00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:43,859
someone at the show I wasn't gonna do it

933
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:45,740
someone let them know

934
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:48,900
we'll continue the video don't send us

935
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:51,540
anything else stop right there right no

936
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:53,880
more right so we we blacklisted them

937
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,859
from being on the show anymore don't say

938
00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:57,839
anything in we did do one I believe oh

939
00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:00,359
so you heard here first third phase of

940
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:02,040
fake is so fake that they got

941
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:08,089
you're right there could have been four

942
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:10,260
or five fakes they could have made it in

943
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,420
because we are looking at four fakes or

944
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,400
five fakes to choose the one we're gonna

945
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,560
go look at right so that there need to

946
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:18,540
be fake ones to make that work right

947
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,339
they didn't even make the cut of the

948
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,960
fake ones except for one time I believe

949
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:24,000
we used one because we were a little bit

950
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:27,000
desperate we needed a face was I put

951
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:32,589
it later when the show got off the air

952
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:34,980
my boys are growing up I have two boys

953
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,420
they're both in college now but they

954
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:38,579
were teenagers and the older boy says to

955
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:41,460
me dad what are you making this three uh

956
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,660
three phases of the movement a third

957
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,700
phase of the moon yeah I said well who

958
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,680
are they he says these guys are cousins

959
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,960
and brothers they go oh no

960
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:50,960
that's how he says

961
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,579
right he said what do you want to do I

962
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,680
think I said I said to my kid if you get

963
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:58,680
their phone number I'll call them and

964
00:40:02,930 --> 00:39:59,880
sure enough he brings me the phone

965
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:02,940
number I call Blake I go Blake

966
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:06,720
please Blake no more you gotta stop

967
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:09,680
faking videos you cannot do that anymore

968
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:11,940
he more or less promised me I'm not

969
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,260
going to remember I don't remember the

970
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:15,660
exact words but I remember he more or

971
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:18,660
less assured me that any claims of

972
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,720
fakery were not true and they would not

973
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,480
fake things anymore it was a little bit

974
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,400
shaky that sounds a little familiar

975
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:28,560
because their latest line and and

976
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:30,420
talking points is that they made a lot

977
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:34,020
of mistakes early on and yeah that's

978
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:36,599
intentionally faking alien videos

979
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,020
especially involving a child and if you

980
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,660
intentionally fake videos that's not a

981
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:45,000
mistake you did that on purpose but that

982
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,220
now they're saying they made a mistake

983
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,320
or they made mistakes early on and they

984
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:51,420
haven't faked anything in five years but

985
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:53,099
people just keep proving that they are

986
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,320
let me ask you a question if when you

987
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,480
have History Channel putting out shows

988
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,700
and they have no one checking to make

989
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:01,859
sure if any of it checks out if there's

990
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:04,140
any veracity I mean there's a guy who's

991
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:06,660
in charge just like the real reality

992
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:08,339
area of there or we'll call it the

993
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:11,220
factual programming there he wrote me an

994
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:13,859
email basically that indicated to me he

995
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:16,260
wasn't even part of the show I went if

996
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:17,579
you're in charge of the factual

997
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,740
programming for the History Channel yeah

998
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,720
and you're claiming you're not even

999
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,000
aware of what's going on with that show

1000
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:25,680
I was like you gotta be careful and it's

1001
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:27,180
a shame because I used to like the

1002
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:29,640
History Channel when I first got cable I

1003
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:31,380
remember loving it because I like World

1004
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,480
War II history and I like history in

1005
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:35,880
general but eventually they figured out

1006
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:37,740
that it was a lot easier to just tell

1007
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:39,780
alien stories and let's get David

1008
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,119
Wilcock in here and oh my God that

1009
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:43,680
Ancient Aliens got more and more

1010
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:46,020
ridiculous the longer it went on and

1011
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,460
then they just filled the whole Network

1012
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,160
full of that kind of garbage Ancient

1013
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,140
Aliens is another one I mean to to

1014
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:55,320
believe for a minute okay that there is

1015
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:58,320
that much evidence of extraterrestrial

1016
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,260
visitation that they show in many

1017
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,780
different ways for how many seasons now

1018
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,000
there were when the movie came out that

1019
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:08,160
Rob Serling is before your time I'm sure

1020
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:09,720
Steve a little bit when Ross Sterling

1021
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:11,579
did a documentary released in theaters

1022
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:14,940
in search of ancient astronauts that was

1023
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:18,480
the earthquake in theory two hours maybe

1024
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,280
a little bit of evidence it didn't get

1025
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:22,920
to be more evidence Giorgio didn't find

1026
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:25,859
more evidence okay he found things

1027
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,220
through the help of crafty editing

1028
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,920
people coming on camera being told what

1029
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:33,780
to say in the interviews on Ancient

1030
00:42:50,349 --> 00:42:48,290
I've been told editors came to be

1031
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:50,359
interviewed for jobs I was hiring for

1032
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:53,160
while they were being interviewed for my

1033
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:55,140
job they would say by the way you know I

1034
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:57,060
I was on Ancient Aliens

1035
00:43:01,930 --> 00:42:59,460
so what was that like oh my God and they

1036
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:01,940
start telling me these stories

1037
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,460
I'm a garbage pedaling yeah no quote me

1038
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:07,200
but I would say anybody who wants to

1039
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:09,180
contact a production company involved

1040
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,960
with Ancient Aliens guess what you'd be

1041
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:14,880
calling the same production company fine

1042
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:16,500
the school Walker Ranch show oh isn't

1043
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,700
that interesting same production company

1044
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:22,319
wow yeah I wasn't aware of that

1045
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,260
connection but that explains a lot more

1046
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,119
backwards you need to you need to start

1047
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,040
remembering you have a certain mantle

1048
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,859
now you do I'm very impressed what you

1049
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,839
did in the last oh thanks that means a

1050
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:35,220
lot to me that you even know who the

1051
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:38,700
hell I am uh you warm my heart when you

1052
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,339
tell me that my shows help motivate you

1053
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,400
because that was my goal my goal was you

1054
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:47,400
know maybe there's a guy 15 years old a

1055
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,900
little younger than me

1056
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,180
he's watching right now and maybe one

1057
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:53,640
day he'll carry this forward I I'm not

1058
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:55,260
kidding there are people at my show will

1059
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,060
tell you that I would say that all the

1060
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:59,040
time if they said to me Bob we want to

1061
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,079
put this video on because it looks

1062
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,540
really cool but I think it's fake sorry

1063
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,460
we're not putting it on we're not going

1064
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:07,980
to put it on just so we can say uh-huh

1065
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:10,260
great and then debunk it in the same

1066
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:13,380
show I'm not doing that so it would have

1067
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,020
to have evidence that we know ahead of

1068
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,599
time has a possibility of authenticity

1069
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,220
it has to be something and by the way

1070
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:22,859
alien autopsy we used to have a thing on

1071
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,740
the wall my my the door to my office

1072
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:26,640
everybody's name was there like you said

1073
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,980
it was like in in-game baseball right

1074
00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:31,680
you want to know the in-game baseball

1075
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,660
baseball sure yeah we play baseball and

1076
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:35,280
I'm a big baseball I still play a lot of

1077
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,780
baseball now a Hardball I play in the

1078
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:38,400
hardball leagues let me tell you

1079
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,960
something God bless you yeah we had

1080
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:42,480
thanks we had a um uh kind of a graph

1081
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,940
under my wall everybody's name what

1082
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:46,859
percentage do you give the alien autopsy

1083
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,240
of being real I was always 51 could be

1084
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,480
real why the Pathologists we interviewed

1085
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:57,660
pathologist Steve we interviewed two

1086
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:01,020
prominent Pathologists from one from

1087
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,180
England one from America now the one

1088
00:45:08,349 --> 00:45:06,480
from America does like conspiracies he's

1089
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,359
the guy from the JFK assassination

1090
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,740
several weeks yeah I was aware of that

1091
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,440
yeah I found out

1092
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,780
he's a he's an educated pathologist he's

1093
00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:18,119
entitled 20

1094
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:20,339
000 cadavers he's opened up I mean the

1095
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:22,859
guy is called to courtroom cases all the

1096
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,800
time I believe to this day but uh he

1097
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:27,720
definitely felt the alien autopsy could

1098
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,839
be real delayed Stan Winston I'm driving

1099
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,359
to the to the to the party we have on

1100
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:35,520
the network Executives watch the Airing

1101
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:38,339
with us I'm driving to the to the

1102
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,380
screening essentially it's already aired

1103
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:42,480
on the East Coast I'm driving to the

1104
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,300
West Coast screening hi Stan it's Bob

1105
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:48,119
kivian oh hi Bob how are you Stan I just

1106
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,260
want to know

1107
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:51,240
people here at my show are saying maybe

1108
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,339
we took her out of context

1109
00:45:58,849 --> 00:45:56,040
did we or not I watched the show I watch

1110
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,859
the interviews I saw everything I don't

1111
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:01,380
believe so he says Bob I said what I

1112
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:04,140
believe if that person faked it if

1113
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,260
somebody faked it it was amazing and I

1114
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:09,119
said you hire him like that he says

1115
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:10,500
absolutely

1116
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,140
so he thought it was so good if it was

1117
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:16,020
fake it was somebody he would hire like

1118
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:17,579
that like you said in the show and you

1119
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,099
can see him do that good scope so I

1120
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,260
checked my I checked my my sources to

1121
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,900
the very end so Time Magazine writes a

1122
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:26,880
big article about my show when it airs a

1123
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,880
third time the third airing and we

1124
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:31,680
showed some more of the footage

1125
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:34,020
Time Magazine said Stan Winston now

1126
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:37,640
claims he says it's a hoax ridiculous

1127
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:40,260
ridiculous I know he may be like not

1128
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,460
happy where he is right now he's no

1129
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:43,500
longer with us but that's a fact what I

1130
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:47,160
just said hold me on the phone only when

1131
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,079
people push back like Richard Corliss

1132
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:51,359
the writer from Time magazine or Tynan

1133
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,380
they'll tell him a guy who did the

1134
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:54,839
interview probably he's a Time top time

1135
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,200
reporters top this is what I love when

1136
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:01,260
Time Magazine looks at my work when I

1137
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,180
did world's greatest hoaxes Chicago

1138
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,760
Tribune wrote in the headline a

1139
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:08,160
full-bage article for Robert kivient the

1140
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,839
truth is out there well they compare me

1141
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,060
to molder from the X-Files but one of my

1142
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:14,940
friends Howard Gordon was a top writer

1143
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,339
and top producer on that show who went

1144
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:19,440
on to be the showrunner and creator of

1145
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:21,300
Homeland who ended up being the

1146
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:23,099
showrunner for for 24 when he won the

1147
00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:25,859
Emmy Howard Gordon well I call Howie is

1148
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:29,240
my best friend from high school okay

1149
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:33,000
he says to me I mean it's almost like

1150
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,640
they had heard what he said he said that

1151
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:38,640
in our show Mulder is a lot less

1152
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,740
skeptical than Bob kiviot so in other

1153
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:42,300
words if you want to make a comparison

1154
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:46,020
to me you know Mulder believed a lot of

1155
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:47,880
things I would never believe I was

1156
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:50,839
probably more like Scully so I'm really

1157
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:53,339
I'm more of a Skully I actually want to

1158
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,280
find the truth and it annoys me when I

1159
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:58,079
got to go through 50 or 60 amazing

1160
00:48:02,030 --> 00:48:00,060
videos in my career for six seven years

1161
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,040
that you watch the most of them right

1162
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,040
yeah let's solve Mysteries Guardian the

1163
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:09,119
UFO case oh I love that the UFO videos

1164
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,180
from Mexico that

1165
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:13,980
did not overly you know promote vote

1166
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:16,859
when Jaime brought me the UFO videos

1167
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,060
from Mexico from the 1991 Mexico uh

1168
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:23,520
eclipse of the Sun the famous day

1169
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:27,540
everyone should know July 11 1991 over

1170
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:30,540
four cities of Mexico if it was a hoax

1171
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,300
as by Bob Nathan at Nasa top guy felt

1172
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:35,040
for years and then my show said he

1173
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,900
thought it was a grandiose hoax of

1174
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,940
people uh using some sort of remote

1175
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:39,920
control

1176
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,880
softwares over three or four different

1177
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:44,400
cities Jaime Hassan brought me that

1178
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:46,619
story when I was an Unsolved Mysteries

1179
00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,740
no one knew who Jaime was we made Jaime

1180
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:51,180
famous in America

1181
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,400
when I did my own specials for Fox I

1182
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:55,740
brought Jaime on Jaime was very very

1183
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:58,680
credible back then he was known as like

1184
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:01,920
the Dan Rather 60 minutos he was on a

1185
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,920
show called 60 Minutes of Mexico he was

1186
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,900
a very that he was very incredible he

1187
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,599
was a very good journalist Jaime I'm not

1188
00:49:23,770 --> 00:49:12,180
going to say what made him do this he

1189
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,569
like who digs up a bunch well let me

1190
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:28,859
tell you something together that's bad

1191
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:31,319
we were doing world's greatest hoaxes

1192
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,780
and Eddie who became a top producers in

1193
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:35,339
other areas was one of my top producers

1194
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:37,020
on my show Eddie Rowan a great guy by

1195
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:37,680
the way

1196
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,560
Eddie rowder says Bob Bob

1197
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,720
Hayman musan is going to be in town so

1198
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:44,640
we can go to him so this is when Jaime

1199
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,500
Musa was promoting it was when he was

1200
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,000
growing into the

1201
00:49:52,809 --> 00:49:50,220
I I like Jaime still so I'm going to say

1202
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:52,819
Huck stared a nice way

1203
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,740
very diplomatic of you I'm trying I'm

1204
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,359
trying he's been he's been good to me a

1205
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:59,220
little bit in life so he's done so Eddie

1206
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:01,500
goes Bob for world's greatest hoax is we

1207
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,800
should nail Jaime I go Eddie why he's

1208
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,660
coming he'll be at this like a

1209
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,640
burbank-like event

1210
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,800
there was a UFO video he was promoting

1211
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,480
everyone remembers that I'm sure you did

1212
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:15,599
too it was a building in Mexico and a

1213
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,619
wobbly flying song flying by it was like

1214
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,079
wobbly right it was like it comes from a

1215
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:24,480
distant planet but it has trouble in our

1216
00:50:28,190 --> 00:50:26,339
atmosphere wobbling around like I guess

1217
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,200
Billy Myers said years later earlier

1218
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,599
they have trouble dealing with our you

1219
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:33,119
know our our gravitational field so

1220
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:35,099
Jaime was promoting this video another

1221
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,839
Network made a big deal about that which

1222
00:50:40,809 --> 00:50:38,280
we're going to get into an air a network

1223
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:40,819
that used to be called

1224
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:45,599
UPN United Paramount Network talk about

1225
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,200
the early days of people faking things

1226
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,460
and knowing it

1227
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,020
well if you want to hear that story I'll

1228
00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:54,420
be glad to tell you oh yeah oh you'll be

1229
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,520
a Genesis of a lot of this stuff you

1230
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:57,839
better believe it it's like people lost

1231
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:59,099
their they lost

1232
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:01,380
like why would you start doing that just

1233
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,240
because I had hit called alien autopsy

1234
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,480
of a real mystery they actually a lot of

1235
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,220
people don't realize this but after you

1236
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,800
did alien autopsy and it was it was

1237
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:13,200
through the roof ratings Along Came all

1238
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,780
these copycats and people try like alien

1239
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:17,940
to interview it was a show combuster

1240
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,520
alien interview we busted that fake it

1241
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:22,319
was a puppet and all this it was a

1242
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,700
series there was a series that came out

1243
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,220
called paranormal borderline they even

1244
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,839
had the I'm not going to get into what

1245
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:29,700
they did let's just put it this way they

1246
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,140
tried their best to make it seem like

1247
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:32,640
they had gotten alien autopsies

1248
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:34,680
producers they didn't get anybody from

1249
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:37,160
my staff I don't know

1250
00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:39,380
cats came along when they saw the money

1251
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:42,599
I take that back there might have been

1252
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:46,980
one guy from my staff who might have

1253
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,040
um motivated them a little bit believe

1254
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:53,400
it at that so anyway they went and did a

1255
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:56,520
show where they showed appeared to be a

1256
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:00,660
Yeti a yeti in the snow doing this weird

1257
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,940
movement laying in the snow looked like

1258
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:05,040
a Yeti like a like a Bigfoot Yeti you

1259
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,880
know and I researched it and found out

1260
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,520
who made it I knew who made it I knew

1261
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,380
who made it and where he made it and it

1262
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:15,599
was somebody that I knew and I went holy

1263
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:17,640
crap so I told the people at the Fox

1264
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:19,319
network about it and they were like well

1265
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,520
do you want to put that in world's

1266
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,800
greatest hoaxes I actually got

1267
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:24,240
teary-eyed to me I'll never forget

1268
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,180
because I knew the guy who faked it and

1269
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:29,880
I was stuck now I go all right I'll find

1270
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:32,220
a way to show that well right about that

1271
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:33,140
time

1272
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,660
UPN same network did a special

1273
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:39,420
excuse me on UFOs and they opened it

1274
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,859
with this wobbly video and Jaime Busan

1275
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:46,559
there he was well Bruce mcabee the same

1276
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,180
Imaging expert I keep telling you about

1277
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,680
which I'll tell you some more tonight

1278
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:52,319
about he looked at that video and saw

1279
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,180
where the UFO

1280
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,819
came near the building you can see a

1281
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:59,460
digital hit there was a digital artifact

1282
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:01,559
that you could tell it was it was

1283
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,780
layered in it was a computer image so we

1284
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,000
knew it was fake so Eddie wanted me to

1285
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,119
go confront Jaime by former Source runs

1286
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,280
off Mysteries by former source for my

1287
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:13,260
own special vufos yeah and that's a

1288
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,059
little bit that's a little bit hairy to

1289
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,480
do well we did it we went there

1290
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,280
we got there with the camera it was like

1291
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:23,160
TMZ you know TMZ today we did like a TMZ

1292
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:25,859
on him right we never used the footage

1293
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,960
what happened was Jaime

1294
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,180
Jaime it was a sad moment for me and as

1295
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:31,680
a journalist and as a producer I knew

1296
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:35,280
Jaime so well and I went Jaime why would

1297
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,500
you do that with the Mexico footage and

1298
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:39,119
there's Eddie with a camera in his face

1299
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,140
and Jaime goes Bob giving it why would

1300
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,880
you do this to me

1301
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:46,920
and you know I said Eddie

1302
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:49,079
cut the camera and we never used a video

1303
00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:52,200
for your viewing pleasure though I will

1304
00:53:56,770 --> 00:53:54,599
show it to you

1305
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,780
I would be great I keep I keep it very

1306
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,000
nice it is sad though you know

1307
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,520
I have seen many many people that start

1308
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:05,520
off credible in this thing but I think

1309
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:08,280
that race to get more material to keep

1310
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,160
putting things out eventually they fall

1311
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,380
to the dark side and just start faking

1312
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:16,200
things because that's what sells let me

1313
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,520
tell you where I think we're going and I

1314
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:19,680
think we'll do it eventually Fact or

1315
00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:22,500
Faked with a little bit of a a cookie

1316
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,119
cutter kind of show for the Sci-Fi

1317
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,359
channel there are things they want in

1318
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:29,520
their show on their Network that they do

1319
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,980
that I would not agree with if it was up

1320
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:33,200
to me 100

1321
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:35,640
That Grew into something I did in one of

1322
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:37,079
my shows I want everyone to know about I

1323
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:39,420
did for sci-fi NBC a few years ago

1324
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:41,220
called aliens on the moon the Truth

1325
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,599
Exposed that one I love that one thank

1326
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:47,040
you and I'll tell you right now we're

1327
00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:49,619
going up with Artemis Mission now we are

1328
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,440
going to do another big series pointing

1329
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:59,390
we want the Chinese government

1330
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,260
people that are going to the Moon we

1331
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:03,359
want them to see these areas we could do

1332
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,680
a show another night with you if you

1333
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,960
want any time on the lunar Recons

1334
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:08,700
Orbiter images don't tell me that I'll

1335
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:11,180
have you here every night

1336
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:14,220
the lunar stuff is so amazing that

1337
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,720
that's gonna be my one of my next big

1338
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:17,520
things but I'm just letting you know now

1339
00:55:23,089 --> 00:55:20,520
the UFO videos that factor fake got into

1340
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:23,099
and other videos effect or fake got into

1341
00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:26,520
the idea is a good idea bring on the

1342
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,819
evidence call it a spadeous fade if it's

1343
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:32,220
a fake it's a fake but do more than just

1344
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:35,940
call it a fake call out the fakers call

1345
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:37,740
them out and say why are you doing this

1346
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,460
and cut the uh motivation down so people

1347
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,859
are not motivated to face those videos

1348
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,040
we have people who are sometimes very

1349
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:49,859
critical of me because I I I will admit

1350
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:52,380
that I've been somewhat aggressive in my

1351
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:55,740
uh in my no do not apologize do not

1352
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:01,069
yeah I hope you I hope you'll come on

1353
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,460
the show you follow things you'd be a

1354
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,079
very good interview absolutely yeah

1355
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:06,420
absolutely I would love to do that and

1356
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:08,940
I'm all tips in anything you need I'm

1357
00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:10,980
there if you need somebody to go run

1358
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:14,540
errands for you while you're here yeah

1359
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,400
you are going to be we hope the person

1360
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,920
to explain for today's people today's

1361
00:56:25,549 --> 00:56:22,440
viewers today's YouTube makers I mean

1362
00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:25,559
come on this is not a new idea to be

1363
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:29,720
authentic to be real to don't [\h__\h]

1364
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:33,359
who wants [\h__\h] what do you why do we

1365
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:34,800
want that how does that help us in any

1366
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,880
way I don't know I've thought a lot

1367
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:37,200
about it and I think that some people

1368
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:40,200
get so wrapped up and and wanting to

1369
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,020
believe it that they excuse so many of

1370
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:44,940
the problems right do you know what you

1371
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,380
should do tell your listeners and your

1372
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,359
viewers I mean and I will do it tonight

1373
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:51,540
it's not an amazing documentary but when

1374
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:53,160
we did world's greatest hoaxes we

1375
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,839
touched on the same thing there's a

1376
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:57,420
documentary on uh HBO Max do you want to

1377
00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:00,180
call it now about the heavens gate cult

1378
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:02,819
if you can't learn from the heavens Gate

1379
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:04,800
cult and something called the solar

1380
00:57:11,150 --> 00:57:07,740
Temple these are Cults that believe so

1381
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:11,160
much in UFOs and alien reality that

1382
00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:13,619
eventually they kill themselves

1383
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:20,750
the Heaven's Gate cult

1384
00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:24,059
literally was focusing on an art bell

1385
00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:26,180
appearance by a guy named Courtney Brown

1386
00:57:31,630 --> 00:57:28,980
who claimed that he could remote view

1387
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:31,640
the Hellbound

1388
00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:34,500
against me and feel a photograph was

1389
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,119
real and it's funny you mentioned this

1390
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:37,920
because I have a new series called

1391
00:57:43,549 --> 00:57:40,619
murder in UFO land that begins very soon

1392
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,559
and we're covering a lot of stories like

1393
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,480
this about people who get too far down

1394
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,599
the rabbit hole and believe all these

1395
00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:49,920
profiteering hucksters and they end up

1396
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:52,760
killing themselves killing other people

1397
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:56,040
when you look at UFO UFOs have a little

1398
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:57,960
bit of a religious thing going on Steve

1399
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,119
there's almost like a religiousness

1400
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,160
going on so you have to treat those

1401
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,559
people with respect for whatever reason

1402
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:06,660
whether it's from my shows showing I

1403
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:08,760
believe credible investigations Fox

1404
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:10,500
would say to me every video Bob you put

1405
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:13,140
on you show the video you tell a story

1406
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:15,540
and you do your analysis and you try to

1407
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:17,339
give the viewer some kind of a a

1408
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,079
beginning point to be able to discern

1409
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,200
like an intelligent human being how to

1410
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:24,119
make sense of it they love that now

1411
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,180
where is that today why is that not part

1412
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,480
of the landscape right now why would a

1413
00:58:35,329 --> 00:58:33,119
show like unidentified go on with no one

1414
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:35,339
pushing back why wouldn't identify that

1415
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:39,540
Mick West on episode two Nick West comes

1416
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:42,960
on why not what are they afraid of

1417
00:58:47,329 --> 00:58:45,240
yeah I think it's fair to have a skeptic

1418
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:47,339
look at something along with the

1419
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:50,520
believer crowd and Steve okay Joe K is

1420
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,380
here and I'm interested too I think I

1421
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:54,660
know but uh he he'd love to hear your

1422
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:57,240
take on Bobby Bazar yeah I'm gonna do

1423
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,980
this now as I I really it's not a

1424
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:00,720
comeback Steve the way it works is this

1425
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,480
first of all you raise a family I had

1426
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,040
two boys growing up oh I didn't mean to

1427
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,440
imply yeah I just meant you're coming

1428
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,160
back with these amazing problems

1429
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,200
so fair game did I see was going on

1430
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,720
after my Joe firmish Odyssey and did I

1431
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,240
see what's going on with with Ron a

1432
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:20,700
little bit and how guys like Grant

1433
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:22,740
Cameron were buying it like Hook Line

1434
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:26,099
and thinker that that portals are

1435
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:27,960
opening up and people are running people

1436
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:30,540
are running to South America to have

1437
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:33,780
tours where portals are opening up I

1438
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:37,380
mean there's rumors that Ron pandolfi

1439
00:59:42,289 --> 00:59:39,780
messed with members of the UFO community

1440
00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:42,299
and floated crazy stories about his wife

1441
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,430
you're making a supposition that if Ron

1442
00:59:58,849 --> 00:59:56,880
if you're watching right now and you

1443
01:00:01,130 --> 00:59:58,859
watch it on the recording Ron

1444
01:00:04,089 --> 01:00:01,140
Steve's making a supposition but these

1445
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:04,099
are rumors that I've heard yeah

1446
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:07,079
the supposition is that I'll even expand

1447
01:00:09,410 --> 01:00:08,040
it

1448
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:09,420
but I don't get a kick out of this

1449
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:12,420
probably the supposition is that when

1450
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:15,660
ttsa was making their claims before they

1451
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:18,119
ever put out any videos and they were

1452
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:19,500
claiming they're going to do this and

1453
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:22,440
that and form a company and Ron was

1454
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,400
telling his friend Dan Smith certain

1455
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:29,280
things and then Dan Smith goes off and

1456
01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:31,859
tells Grant Cameron

1457
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,619
did Ron see the marketplace with a

1458
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:37,020
little bit of a trial balloon to see if

1459
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,940
they'd buy that crap

1460
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:40,319
Maybe

1461
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,420
but on the other end you all you got to

1462
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:43,920
do is start researching what Ronald was

1463
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:46,980
saying does it make any sense is there

1464
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:48,780
any evidence for what he said it doesn't

1465
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:51,180
make any sense yeah right so Ron never

1466
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:54,540
said any of this he was quoting Dan

1467
01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:57,660
Smith the sky Grand Cameron who was

1468
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,400
quoting Ron so in other words it's like

1469
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:01,440
third degree of separation it's like the

1470
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,140
game of telephone did anyone confirm

1471
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:07,260
what Ron was saying in the show you

1472
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,780
politics if all goes well

1473
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:12,299
Ron will give the first on-camera

1474
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:16,200
interview on television awesome and let

1475
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:17,819
me say one other thing about ROM that I

1476
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:20,760
know it's factual so he's not going to

1477
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,260
be upset by it

1478
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:24,240
there's only one president that I'm

1479
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,740
aware of and I've looked at every

1480
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:27,780
president first of all Ronald Reagan

1481
01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:29,700
wrote me a letter years ago

1482
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:32,760
warm good wishes on my UFO story about

1483
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:33,900
him

1484
01:01:39,069 --> 01:01:36,119
confirming in every way for my

1485
01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:42,230
when he was governor of California

1486
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:44,579
had a UFO following his plane as

1487
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:48,119
governor a bright orb he told his Pilot

1488
01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:49,500
Bill painter

1489
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:52,619
to follow that UFO they turned to follow

1490
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:55,740
it the UFO kind of kept their Pace until

1491
01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:58,020
it went straight off into space

1492
01:02:02,270 --> 01:02:00,180
Ronald Reagan confirmed to me in every

1493
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:02,280
way that you can infirm that was true

1494
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,920
and and wish me warm good wishes

1495
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:07,680
essentially interviewing his Pilot in

1496
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:10,140
Florida who was retired now because he

1497
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,880
could not do it because he was busy with

1498
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,200
other matters after being president

1499
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,839
right he's out that's my early years as

1500
01:02:20,049 --> 01:02:17,760
a producer Steve that's me cutting my

1501
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,059
teeth on the U.S that's amazing

1502
01:02:26,589 --> 01:02:22,799
letters congratulating you yeah yeah

1503
01:02:29,450 --> 01:02:26,599
Steven Spielberg was less forthcoming

1504
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:29,460
somebody did ask what you what your take

1505
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,520
on Bob Lazar and Project Camelot Carrie

1506
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,440
Cassidy and Bill Ryan if you know who

1507
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,319
they are I know who they are very well

1508
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:38,160
but I just want to make sure I complete

1509
01:02:42,589 --> 01:02:40,740
that other thing I was saying oh sure we

1510
01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:42,599
can go all night probably so so the

1511
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:45,000
thing I was trying to say was that

1512
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:48,660
um Ron would absolutely be

1513
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,960
the only CIA officer scientist of any

1514
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:52,799
kind

1515
01:02:59,450 --> 01:02:56,339
that was asked by a President

1516
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,460
through his science advisor for a UFO

1517
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:02,640
briefing oh that's amazing what

1518
01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:04,440
president what was that that he briefed

1519
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,660
Bill Clinton asked the science advisor

1520
01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:09,119
Gibbons and he had a big interest in

1521
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:11,579
UFOs for a briefing on UFOs because the

1522
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:13,380
Rockefeller family

1523
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,140
had an interest in UFOs

1524
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,660
so Rockefeller being a supporter of Bill

1525
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,099
Clinton and Hillary Clinton

1526
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:22,799
motivated bill I believe in my heart of

1527
01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:25,380
hearts to after this briefing

1528
01:03:29,569 --> 01:03:27,540
briefing was given to you know the order

1529
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:29,579
was given to Gibbons to get a briefing

1530
01:03:36,130 --> 01:03:33,359
and Gibbons contacted pandolfi and then

1531
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,140
pandolfi contacted Dr Bruce Maccabee

1532
01:03:41,809 --> 01:03:39,180
Maccabee gave Ron The Briefing to give

1533
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:41,819
to givings to give to the president

1534
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:44,760
that is a fact I don't know about any

1535
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:47,940
other CIA government officer of any kind

1536
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,819
that gave a UFO briefing now what kind

1537
01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:53,520
of briefing was it a general overview

1538
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,859
I've seen the briefing a general

1539
01:04:01,970 --> 01:03:57,839
overview of the UFO story from Rose

1540
01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:01,980
Milan very very cogent very well put

1541
01:04:04,849 --> 01:04:02,760
together

1542
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:04,859
and people should know that now that

1543
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:07,980
doesn't make Ron the fox molder of the

1544
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:08,760
CIA

1545
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:10,680
that doesn't make him

1546
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:13,020
Keeper of the weird desk there really

1547
01:04:17,809 --> 01:04:14,640
isn't a weird Death Steve what I

1548
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:17,819
understand it is Ron is in charge in

1549
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:20,760
many ways in different ways of looking

1550
01:04:27,470 --> 01:04:24,000
into technologies that could be foreign

1551
01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:27,480
threats could be developments could be

1552
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:29,040
all kinds of things and I do not want to

1553
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:31,380
speak for Ron because I believe if I can

1554
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:33,660
get my wish and I'm going to do an

1555
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,040
on-camera interview you got to keep them

1556
01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:37,440
on your good side yeah I understand I

1557
01:04:41,630 --> 01:04:40,020
think his commitment is true I think he

1558
01:04:43,970 --> 01:04:41,640
wants people to understand what's true

1559
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:43,980
about his story in any way but there are

1560
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:45,960
certain things he can't talk about I

1561
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,520
don't believe he's gonna come out and

1562
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,200
say that UFOs are here and aliens are

1563
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:51,359
from another planet no no he doesn't

1564
01:04:55,789 --> 01:04:53,400
believe there's any yet proof of any

1565
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,799
kind that we could say that okay but I

1566
01:04:59,930 --> 01:04:57,540
stay focused on that and I consider him

1567
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,940
to be a very good source and I consider

1568
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:02,400
him to be fairly uh free to speak with

1569
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,220
me and that's good so however I got to

1570
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:07,980
that point as a journalist you want to

1571
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,160
be at that point so eupholitics

1572
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:13,200
deferring the government the media and

1573
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,980
the public

1574
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:16,319
the new movie that we hope will be on in

1575
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:19,559
2023 it'll be out through us I believe

1576
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,640
through a new a new kind of distribution

1577
01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:25,440
that unfortunately

1578
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:27,900
other people have exploited

1579
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:29,640
in ways that you're not going to be

1580
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,640
happy and I'm not too happy either they

1581
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:33,920
were

1582
01:05:37,849 --> 01:05:36,599
stories that I would not have done on

1583
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:37,859
network TV

1584
01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:41,640
I don't believe they are valid

1585
01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:43,079
then we can talk about what you

1586
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:45,059
mentioned and other people can figure it

1587
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:46,319
out I'm not saying anything negative

1588
01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:47,119
here

1589
01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:51,420
yeah if you know you know what it is uh

1590
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,339
Bob is that when somebody of your

1591
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:55,680
knowledge and expertise and that like

1592
01:05:59,809 --> 01:05:57,900
knows all the inside baseball people

1593
01:06:03,069 --> 01:05:59,819
people go well what does he think of

1594
01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:03,079
this they're asking me about Bob lizard

1595
01:06:07,549 --> 01:06:05,579
and I'm not talking about Bal Bazaar

1596
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,559
products

1597
01:06:12,670 --> 01:06:10,400
Bob Lazar videos

1598
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:12,680
bubbles are

1599
01:06:18,049 --> 01:06:16,079
pseudo documentaries

1600
01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:18,059
I'm not saying anything about trying to

1601
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:19,319
be anything negative you want to go

1602
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:21,420
watch those things and wonderful here's

1603
01:06:27,529 --> 01:06:24,240
what you have a guy comes out in the

1604
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:27,539
late 80s and says he worked at Area 51

1605
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:31,200
at S4 specifically and had worked on

1606
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:34,140
this machine and found out about element

1607
01:06:42,289 --> 01:06:39,299
150. okay so what are the facts that we

1608
01:06:45,770 --> 01:06:42,299
know about this guy well we know that he

1609
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:45,780
does get me started I know I know more

1610
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:48,119
about Bob Lazar than anybody should yeah

1611
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:50,940
so the bottom line is if he did work on

1612
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,940
this saucer and he did have this the

1613
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:56,400
ability to see it and share with the

1614
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:59,400
public the way that he has come out the

1615
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,859
story just doesn't really check out but

1616
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:03,599
there are people that have made all

1617
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:06,480
kinds of claims good for them if they

1618
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:08,940
have more evidence today than we had

1619
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:12,780
back in 1989 92 whatever it might be and

1620
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:16,920
then I don't see any okay I don't I

1621
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,180
don't know if you're aware of this but

1622
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:20,160
I'm very proud of the fact that we have

1623
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:23,400
here some really conclusive evidence

1624
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,579
a fellow researcher of mine came to me

1625
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:28,319
and shared with me and we shared it here

1626
01:07:32,029 --> 01:07:29,520
on our show

1627
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,039
the original supervisors that he had at

1628
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:34,680
Los Alamos were contacted interviewed

1629
01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:36,780
and they all refute that he was ever a

1630
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:38,760
real scientist they all said he was a

1631
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:40,140
technician the kind of guy that would

1632
01:07:45,289 --> 01:07:42,119
get you a mouse if your computer broke

1633
01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:45,299
or whatever install satellite run cables

1634
01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:47,700
he was never a physicist he was never a

1635
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:49,740
scientist and additionally we have

1636
01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:53,520
another show where a verified Area 51

1637
01:07:58,609 --> 01:07:55,799
security guard came out and was

1638
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,619
interviewed and said that immediately

1639
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:00,720
when the story broke he checked the logs

1640
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:04,559
of Area 51 no Bob Lazar in or out on the

1641
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:07,680
on the flight logs you have to be in the

1642
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:09,900
flight logs under your real name no Bob

1643
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,940
Lazar and in fact he called that

1644
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,859
security guard called George Knapp to

1645
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,480
tell him that Bob Lazar was a fraud

1646
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:18,299
George Knapp didn't want to talk to him

1647
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:20,040
because I guess it was already committed

1648
01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:21,900
so there's a lot more the only evidence

1649
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:24,060
than the only new evidence that's coming

1650
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:26,580
out proves that the story is fake but

1651
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,859
people people love this I love that

1652
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:30,839
story growing up Bob I've wanted it to

1653
01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:32,759
be true more than it's a great story you

1654
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:34,859
know here's a guy but it's very

1655
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:37,980
interesting as a flying saucer that he

1656
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:41,160
said he saw was a replica of what Billy

1657
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:43,799
Meyer and people aren't aware of this

1658
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,699
but uh a month before I'm sorry three

1659
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:49,920
months before Bob Lazar came out with

1660
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:52,259
his story he got all of the Billy Meyer

1661
01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:55,140
Material him and Gene Huff got all of it

1662
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:58,980
copied and given to them by John Lear so

1663
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:00,839
it's a little bit of a coincidence that

1664
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:04,199
the spaceship looks exactly like a Billy

1665
01:09:09,169 --> 01:09:07,319
Myers spaceship that he worked on just

1666
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,179
got the material yeah sports car I think

1667
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,799
it goes by the sports car model or

1668
01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:13,199
something like this model yes but if the

1669
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,000
other one see the Bill Meyer photographs

1670
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:17,759
which are Exquisite he had a beautiful

1671
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,600
table top book like a beautiful book and

1672
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:23,759
even my dad a photo expert you know like

1673
01:09:29,450 --> 01:09:26,480
pretty amazing pictures they were

1674
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,460
beautiful pictures Sun glistening off

1675
01:09:34,689 --> 01:09:32,279
these craft I mean Billy nice pictures

1676
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,699
but fake as [\h__\h]

1677
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:36,719
you know when you look into the story

1678
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:38,699
and again back to the story let's go

1679
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:40,920
back to like Story 101. how does someone

1680
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,140
analyze something let's look at

1681
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,359
Skinwalker Ranch just for a minute and

1682
01:09:51,289 --> 01:09:47,520
yes if someone watches can walk a ranch

1683
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:51,299
again one night keep all this in mind

1684
01:09:56,209 --> 01:09:53,880
ass swap that everybody learned about

1685
01:09:57,650 --> 01:09:56,219
through the New York Times bad reporting

1686
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,660
they never mentioned that's why because

1687
01:10:03,130 --> 01:10:00,239
they're talking at him you're called ass

1688
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,140
swap that's pretty funny yeah

1689
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,580
that's my name for it I know it's not

1690
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:07,440
exactly right but that's my name for it

1691
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:10,020
if you read the book that nap and

1692
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:13,980
lecaste put out fairly recently in the

1693
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,460
forward written by posthumously sadly

1694
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,679
Harry Reid and you look at the

1695
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:21,360
introduction part the beginning of the

1696
01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:24,300
book by Lukowski it said right there in

1697
01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:25,940
bold print

1698
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:31,140
this that's what okay was a maneuver

1699
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:33,300
played on the Congress

1700
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:36,960
by Harry Reid and a few others they said

1701
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,080
it'll be a great great you know study

1702
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:42,840
essentially of what you would see in

1703
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:45,840
2040 or 2050 what kind of Technology

1704
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,420
might be coming down the road what will

1705
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,400
the Chinese do what will the Russians

1706
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,560
know what will we do how do we get a

1707
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:54,480
handle on that okay

1708
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:56,460
that was allegedly what that was all

1709
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:00,780
about Ron told me it even faked him out

1710
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:03,480
it was nothing like that it was 20

1711
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:05,880
million bucks delivered to Bob Bigelow

1712
01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:07,800
at Skinwalker Ranch

1713
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,719
that's what that was and we still don't

1714
01:11:12,370 --> 01:11:11,280
know what we got for a 22 million

1715
01:11:21,169 --> 01:11:12,380
dollars

1716
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,179
skeptical Wawa wow papers of science

1717
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,040
like fantasy

1718
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:26,400
which is what it was 39 papers

1719
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,620
written essentially through the Bob

1720
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:30,840
Bigelow group Bass

1721
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,900
thanks to Harry Reid and then they did

1722
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:35,760
something even better they were they

1723
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:38,520
wanted to make sure that nobody knew

1724
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:41,100
what this aswap really was

1725
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:43,860
so now we're going to call it atip we're

1726
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:46,860
going to give it a new name A10 is a

1727
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,040
fantasy even so goth was caught in this

1728
01:11:56,030 --> 01:11:52,800
thing because she right she she refers

1729
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,040
to atip like it existed atip was made up

1730
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,560
oh it's just a made-up word oh I get

1731
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:00,239
myself in a lot of trouble because I

1732
01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:02,420
talk about Lou Elizondo

1733
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:05,699
and funded government program that only

1734
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:08,820
existed in his imagination the movie we

1735
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:12,360
do ufolitics will reset up in my humble

1736
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:14,280
opinion and thanks to your involvement

1737
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,440
and other people like you Steve it

1738
01:12:19,729 --> 01:12:18,239
motivates me now see I motivate you a

1739
01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:19,739
little when you were younger now you're

1740
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:22,679
re-motivating me to get very very back

1741
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,679
in the saddle and get back to what is

1742
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:27,920
verifiable evidence of the unknown

1743
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:30,120
unexplained I hate the word paranormal

1744
01:12:34,689 --> 01:12:32,340
you say the word paranormal to me I

1745
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:34,699
wouldn't even turn around

1746
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:37,800
I don't understand coming from the guy

1747
01:12:41,470 --> 01:12:39,780
who's famous for creating all these

1748
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:41,480
paranormal shows

1749
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:43,620
you're never going to see me in any of

1750
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:44,880
the words everywhere every word

1751
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,880
basically that I wrote or my co-writer

1752
01:12:52,729 --> 01:12:50,640
Tom and I wrote every one of those words

1753
01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:52,739
you look at the entire scripts of every

1754
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:54,179
show I did

1755
01:12:57,649 --> 01:12:56,100
I never mentioned the word paranormal I

1756
01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:57,659
don't think once

1757
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:00,380
yeah it was a wonky term and it

1758
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:03,060
encompasses so much what is Paranormal

1759
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:05,900
could be anything ghosts demons

1760
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:09,380
to a bunch of people that Travel Channel

1761
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:12,080
Travel Channel

1762
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:16,260
what it means to them ghosts paranormal

1763
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:18,900
means dose why does Paranormal mean

1764
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:20,940
ghosts I don't know somebody decided

1765
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:23,640
long ago maybe 2004 or so with Ghost

1766
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,820
Hunters the worst show may be ever for

1767
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:28,400
television history

1768
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:32,520
because it showed people you could fake

1769
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:34,020
a documentary

1770
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:35,460
and even though you're faking a

1771
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,860
documentary yeah it's fun we'll watch it

1772
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:40,159
get a beer get something else whatever

1773
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,380
watch the show have a few minutes of fun

1774
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:46,320
and even think it might be real I can't

1775
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:49,080
stand those shows and and the Bigfoot

1776
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,400
shows where they pull out the night

1777
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:53,040
vision and it's all green if I am

1778
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,840
flipping channels and I see that I flip

1779
01:13:58,910 --> 01:13:56,460
it off immediately I'm like I don't even

1780
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:58,920
want to look at this this is garbage but

1781
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:00,600
they never find Bigfoot find them

1782
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,420
Bigfoot we never the show should be

1783
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:05,699
called we never find Bigfoot tune in

1784
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:08,280
tonight 10 years of no evidence but it's

1785
01:14:12,169 --> 01:14:10,860
everybody's making money I have some new

1786
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:12,179
Bigfoot evidence I want to tell you guys

1787
01:14:15,709 --> 01:14:12,900
about

1788
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:15,719
oh yeah I'm a big YouTuber do you know

1789
01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:18,120
the famous Paris and film right so yes

1790
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,719
we had in world's greatest hoaxes we had

1791
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:23,400
a guy come on from the American national

1792
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:26,040
Enterprises and it's the company that

1793
01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:28,380
marketed the film claimed that Roger

1794
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,060
Patterson worked for the company as a

1795
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:32,880
filmmaker shooting Wildlife video

1796
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:34,980
we believe we told the public the truth

1797
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,440
about it we thought we did and I still

1798
01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:39,420
am maintaining that world's greatest

1799
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:42,120
hoax is pretty much told you the origin

1800
01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:44,820
the people that made the money why it

1801
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:46,440
looked like a fake even though Jeff

1802
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,780
Belgium and other experts still believe

1803
01:14:53,149 --> 01:14:50,880
it's a real creature and they show all

1804
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:53,159
the reasons Jefferson won't return my

1805
01:14:58,090 --> 01:14:55,920
calls by the way I was doing a project I

1806
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:58,100
called them 27 times

1807
01:15:01,390 --> 01:15:00,300
I have calls into him now about what I'm

1808
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:01,400
telling you

1809
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:04,260
but we spoke a few weeks ago Jeff and I

1810
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:06,360
and I said Jeff look I know it's going

1811
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:08,280
to blow your mind a little bit and I

1812
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:09,840
know you think I debunked the uh

1813
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,480
Patterson film pretty pretty toughly

1814
01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:15,540
pretty pretty sternly uh however

1815
01:15:19,090 --> 01:15:17,699
there appears to be a discovery that was

1816
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:19,100
made

1817
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,380
apparently in the Patterson film

1818
01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:24,719
at the very end of the film

1819
01:15:30,649 --> 01:15:28,380
with that no one made aware to me when I

1820
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,659
licensed the footage three times from

1821
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:32,400
the Patterson family

1822
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,500
they never said

1823
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:36,960
watch at the very end

1824
01:15:41,410 --> 01:15:38,880
there appears to be another creature

1825
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,420
there amazing

1826
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:43,679
I had no reason to believe that right I

1827
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:45,719
never even heard of it before

1828
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,100
well I don't want to give it all away

1829
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:49,679
but in a new documentary I'm making for

1830
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:53,280
2024 probably maybe not 2023 it's going

1831
01:15:58,010 --> 01:15:55,860
to be the life of Bruce mcabee the Navy

1832
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,020
Optical physics I told you about that's

1833
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:00,960
close to Ron pandolfi he's getting older

1834
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:03,719
now it's an homage to him and his wife

1835
01:16:08,209 --> 01:16:05,420
Jan

1836
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:08,219
is an is a is a you know it's not it's

1837
01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:09,780
not his first wife

1838
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,159
Jan

1839
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,719
a little younger than Bruce Bruce is

1840
01:16:16,850 --> 01:16:14,159
like you know got to be pushing you know

1841
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:16,860
well into his you know later years now

1842
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:21,120
Jan is a very unique individual

1843
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:22,800
she not only

1844
01:16:26,689 --> 01:16:24,780
stared at that film

1845
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:26,699
because what happened was it's a great

1846
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,600
story

1847
01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:30,719
Jan is married to the number one Imaging

1848
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,900
expert I believe still alive in America

1849
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:36,060
he's the guy you saw in UFOs are real

1850
01:16:40,450 --> 01:16:37,980
the guy we talked about arguably the

1851
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:40,460
best image analysters

1852
01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:43,080
Bruce is in many of my shows Unsolved

1853
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:45,060
Mysteries that's all fine but overall I

1854
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:46,620
stayed very close to Bruce over the

1855
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:50,520
years so I find out that two years ago

1856
01:16:55,310 --> 01:16:52,980
Bruce had in his attic or wherever they

1857
01:16:58,250 --> 01:16:55,320
kept their old stuff whatever it was

1858
01:17:01,970 --> 01:16:58,260
he had a copy of the Patterson film

1859
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:01,980
given to him by Eric beckyard way before

1860
01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:04,980
your time Steve Eric Deckard was even

1861
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:06,420
when I got involved he was sort of

1862
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:09,239
behind before my time and Eric Baker was

1863
01:17:12,530 --> 01:17:10,620
one of these guys that would go on talk

1864
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:12,540
shows and would say yes I'm a monster

1865
01:17:16,850 --> 01:17:15,060
hunter and yes I'm this guy and I'm that

1866
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,860
guy mystery Hunter you know that kind of

1867
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:18,719
guy right and he got some he got some

1868
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,020
press he got some media the guy claimed

1869
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:24,480
in a letter given to Bruce he said I'm

1870
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:27,000
not basically the story was he was dying

1871
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,699
he owed Bruce a favor some money

1872
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:32,640
whatever I won't get into details

1873
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:35,100
he centers this film

1874
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:37,800
it was a copy of the Paterson film made

1875
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,140
like right after it happened it's like a

1876
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:42,000
very very early generation of first

1877
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,159
generation that's amazing so apparently

1878
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:46,800
two years ago Bruce is just chatting

1879
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:50,280
with his wife and he says hello Jen I'll

1880
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:53,640
do Bruce you know Jan uh I have this old

1881
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:55,020
film and I don't know what's in it but

1882
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:56,580
Eric wrote a letter to me it's a crazy

1883
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:59,640
letter so in the letter Eric writes to

1884
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,640
Bruce there are other babies in there

1885
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:05,040
somewhere I've heard rumors of this yeah

1886
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:07,860
so Jan gets excited she's kind of an

1887
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:10,020
interesting lady she really is she got

1888
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:13,020
excited and they got uh they got a uh

1889
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,000
kind of like to show the movie on they

1890
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,280
got a 60 millimeter projector very sad

1891
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:19,679
they show the film like it's a movie you

1892
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:21,960
know on the screen on a big screen

1893
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:24,120
and sure enough they think they have

1894
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:24,900
found

1895
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:27,960
the couple The Maccabees have discovered

1896
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:30,719
in their pristine

1897
01:18:35,689 --> 01:18:33,239
never hardly ever played copy of the

1898
01:18:38,810 --> 01:18:35,699
Paterson film it appears to be a little

1899
01:18:41,890 --> 01:18:38,820
baby Bigfoot moving around

1900
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:41,900
now hold on before everybody amazing

1901
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:45,000
hold on I'd have to go on like you know

1902
01:18:50,750 --> 01:18:49,080
Joe Rogan Joe I know you like Bigfoot so

1903
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:50,760
Joe

1904
01:18:54,590 --> 01:18:53,400
I guess I was wrong the Paris

1905
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,600
development looks like there's another

1906
01:18:58,669 --> 01:18:56,880
creature now even if the creature see

1907
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,679
I'd be willing in a heartbeat Steve

1908
01:19:02,209 --> 01:19:00,960
that's how I am well I would be

1909
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:02,219
interested in saying that because if

1910
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,140
they did fake the film then why would

1911
01:19:07,790 --> 01:19:06,239
you the the Patterson film always

1912
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:07,800
bothered me because if I was going to

1913
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,780
fake a Bigfoot the thought of putting

1914
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:12,239
breasts on one would never occur to me

1915
01:19:17,689 --> 01:19:15,420
number one but number two if this is

1916
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:17,699
indeed true that there's a baby Bigfoot

1917
01:19:23,709 --> 01:19:20,820
and some un previously unseen end

1918
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:23,719
portion of the of the original film yeah

1919
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:26,699
why if you're gonna fake a film first

1920
01:19:30,830 --> 01:19:28,500
you're going to figure out let's put

1921
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:30,840
breasts on it make it a female then

1922
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:32,760
you're going to figure out how to make a

1923
01:19:39,229 --> 01:19:34,860
baby Bigfoot somewhere hold on yeah

1924
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:39,239
nobody sees for 75 years you know yeah

1925
01:19:42,890 --> 01:19:40,860
my point I'm in the country sometimes

1926
01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:42,900
this audio just oh sure yeah no I

1927
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,840
apologize there's a delay

1928
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,280
you excite me Steve you're like my feel

1929
01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:49,679
my favorite my favorite

1930
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:50,280
um

1931
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,880
Evolution you have become what I used to

1932
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:55,679
think of in the editing room where we're

1933
01:19:59,090 --> 01:19:57,239
releasing our shows on Fox then the

1934
01:20:01,370 --> 01:19:59,100
X-Files are popular you're the kind of

1935
01:20:04,010 --> 01:20:01,380
guy that I was hoping but later on be

1936
01:20:06,729 --> 01:20:04,020
you know well it's all your fault it

1937
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:08,990
I don't mean to catch up I jump right in

1938
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:12,780
I'm sure I do it too yeah in the live

1939
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:15,840
chat look what I've got to do now if it

1940
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:18,360
turns out if it does turn out

1941
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:20,580
that first of all let me tell you how

1942
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,580
we're analyzing this very important in

1943
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,679
the world of Imaging like my dad's photo

1944
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,360
retouching God restless so he died a

1945
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:30,480
couple of years ago but yeah yeah I

1946
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,640
appreciate it my dad taught me to have a

1947
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:35,760
good eye and to understand photo photo

1948
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:38,699
realism and and image realism okay and

1949
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,860
then Bob Nathan at Nasa became like my

1950
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:43,679
my california-based Imaging dad and

1951
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:46,620
Bruce Maccabee like my other dad these

1952
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:49,020
are guys that taught me how to look at

1953
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:51,960
imagery okay so we are looking at the

1954
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:53,940
imagery called the Patterson film I

1955
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,260
don't by the way

1956
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:57,360
I don't call it the Patterson gimlin

1957
01:21:00,770 --> 01:20:58,260
film

1958
01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:00,780
I don't know where the heck anybody

1959
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:04,140
added gimlin I I licensed this footage

1960
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:07,860
to the tune of five figures

1961
01:21:13,729 --> 01:21:11,699
two times okay all right so and I also

1962
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,739
gotta I got it also paid out the

1963
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,840
Paterson since a third time so why are

1964
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,760
we going I got off cheaper I said fair

1965
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,920
use when I used it well why don't we say

1966
01:21:24,169 --> 01:21:21,659
that I paid me paid these people and

1967
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:24,179
help them earn about fifteen thousand

1968
01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:26,219
dollars over the years okay to show this

1969
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:30,120
film now I believe we show the origins

1970
01:21:37,630 --> 01:21:34,320
that look like a fraud however if

1971
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,640
there's a little baby in there

1972
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:40,080
throws this whole thing for a loop and

1973
01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:41,520
I'm almost here's what we're saying

1974
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:44,040
we're analyzing it this way I got Bruce

1975
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:45,659
into a discussion that we want Jeff

1976
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,580
Meldrum to join

1977
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:49,920
here's a discussion Steve

1978
01:21:58,610 --> 01:21:55,199
if that is not a little juvenile Bigfoot

1979
01:22:01,010 --> 01:21:58,620
or bear or something looking like it's

1980
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:01,020
just another creature like a Bigfoot but

1981
01:22:06,189 --> 01:22:02,159
tinier

1982
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:06,199
then it can only be the big one

1983
01:22:13,310 --> 01:22:09,840
where its perspective Roger Patterson's

1984
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,320
camera somehow scanned over to a

1985
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:16,080
different direction when he fell and he

1986
01:22:21,790 --> 01:22:19,980
just recaptured the big creature moving

1987
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:21,800
away in the distance

1988
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:25,320
pretty far pretty fast yeah Bruce's

1989
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:28,980
Bruce's analysis so far shown that it

1990
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:30,960
cannot be what I just said

1991
01:22:36,350 --> 01:22:33,719
if it turns out that our further tests

1992
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:36,360
proved that that it can't be the big

1993
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:39,239
Bigfoot way off in the trees

1994
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:43,320
then we have a lot of explaining to do

1995
01:22:48,890 --> 01:22:46,500
and we will that's amazing I can't wait

1996
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:48,900
to see it now and and now of course is

1997
01:22:55,630 --> 01:22:51,780
this in some previously unseen portion

1998
01:22:59,149 --> 01:22:55,640
of it though because I have the I'm not

1999
01:23:00,350 --> 01:22:59,159
probably for terrible copies a very good

2000
01:23:02,930 --> 01:23:00,360
question

2001
01:23:03,649 --> 01:23:02,940
I'm not going to give you the answer

2002
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:03,659
um

2003
01:23:11,950 --> 01:23:07,560
it is in what appears to be the copy

2004
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:11,960
that Eric beckyard gave Bruce

2005
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,199
it was never shown to me in the editing

2006
01:23:19,610 --> 01:23:18,000
room when I purchased it from the

2007
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:19,620
Patterson family

2008
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:22,440
if my researcher brought me the footage

2009
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:25,679
and adhere the footage let's look at it

2010
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:28,260
from beginning to end and study every

2011
01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:29,760
frame

2012
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:31,500
we didn't do that we lied we didn't do

2013
01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:34,020
that we only were focusing on what all

2014
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:36,300
the experts were focusing on the big

2015
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,800
creature walking into the you know

2016
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:39,900
walking away we didn't spend every

2017
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:42,060
detail so I can't tell you or your

2018
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,320
viewers tonight

2019
01:23:48,770 --> 01:23:45,840
if it existed in the copy that I aired

2020
01:23:50,510 --> 01:23:48,780
first in New York with arel Rivera then

2021
01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:50,520
with my own show for the Fox network

2022
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:53,820
world's greatest hoaxes I can't say for

2023
01:23:58,430 --> 01:23:54,900
sure

2024
01:24:00,410 --> 01:23:58,440
if it's in any other copy I don't know

2025
01:24:03,890 --> 01:24:00,420
and that's one question here's my order

2026
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:03,900
my pecking order Bruce verifies there's

2027
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:06,120
another creature in the film

2028
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:09,060
then I contacted the Pattersons and go

2029
01:24:13,790 --> 01:24:10,920
what's going on here

2030
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:13,800
if I paid that much money why wouldn't

2031
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:17,040
you tell me about that and if you have

2032
01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:19,980
it in your original I'm not happy did

2033
01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:22,920
you know about it they may be as shocked

2034
01:24:27,470 --> 01:24:24,540
as we are

2035
01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:27,480
I don't know great yeah and and just to

2036
01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:29,460
be clear it's it's 16 millimeter film

2037
01:24:33,770 --> 01:24:31,020
that would be extremely hard to like

2038
01:24:36,669 --> 01:24:33,780
fake that and add it on or somehow I

2039
01:24:39,470 --> 01:24:36,679
have one extreme exact location

2040
01:24:41,330 --> 01:24:39,480
I gotta see this I really before you

2041
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:41,340
will very soon I'll be glad to share

2042
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:43,080
with you and your viewers as a preview

2043
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:44,760
for the new movie we're going to do

2044
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:46,020
because the movie we're going to do is

2045
01:24:52,189 --> 01:24:49,199
about Bruce and Jan it's almost like oh

2046
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:52,199
she's a phenomena Whisperer she sort of

2047
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,260
has this ability to see things and be

2048
01:25:00,830 --> 01:24:57,120
aware of things and even be motivated

2049
01:25:03,169 --> 01:25:00,840
Bruce did not Bruce a UFO guy he's not a

2050
01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:03,179
Bigfoot guy Bruce does not you know

2051
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:05,340
dabble in all the other Mysteries he

2052
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:06,900
doesn't look at you your ghost videos

2053
01:25:11,630 --> 01:25:09,300
more than I know him he doesn't do that

2054
01:25:14,570 --> 01:25:11,640
he's he's he believes he seems to be a

2055
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,580
real serious guy so I guess let's be

2056
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,320
clear about Bruce he said it in UFOs

2057
01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:18,000
caught on tape number one we did two

2058
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:19,500
specials for Fox

2059
01:25:26,090 --> 01:25:22,500
UFOs caught on tape number one Bruce

2060
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:26,100
says it beautifully he believes there is

2061
01:25:31,729 --> 01:25:27,600
hard evidence

2062
01:25:34,250 --> 01:25:31,739
our government has of unknown craft from

2063
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,260
unknown intelligences flying in our

2064
01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:36,719
skies and likely in space he believes

2065
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:39,000
he's proved that he believes the umpteen

2066
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,860
videos I've put on the air that he's

2067
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:42,719
analyzed with me he's believed many

2068
01:25:48,649 --> 01:25:45,420
others prove that he is one of the most

2069
01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:48,659
credible guy if you had a Supreme Court

2070
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:49,800
case

2071
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:52,800
he could testify that here that in front

2072
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:55,620
of those judges that's how solid Bruce

2073
01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:58,980
is so it's strange in a way he marries a

2074
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:01,980
woman she's a very unique she's been

2075
01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:03,420
involved in three mysteries I'll tell

2076
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:06,780
you about real quickly one she seemed to

2077
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:08,520
have witnessed something like a predator

2078
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,860
remember the movie Predator yeah I heard

2079
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,440
this story she saw like a club or

2080
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:15,659
something in the trees moving from tree

2081
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:17,400
to tree to tree to tree to tree to treat

2082
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,860
a tree and it looked like the famous

2083
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:21,120
movie Predator with Arnold

2084
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:22,440
Schwarzenegger I know it was a remake

2085
01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:24,300
but let's go back to the original right

2086
01:26:28,610 --> 01:26:26,040
so the original

2087
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:28,620
looks like better right so she doesn't

2088
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:31,920
have that on on her phone but right

2089
01:26:36,890 --> 01:26:34,440
about the same time she witnessed that

2090
01:26:40,250 --> 01:26:36,900
she slapped a picture with her phone

2091
01:26:41,390 --> 01:26:40,260
the phone captured a weird array of

2092
01:26:44,450 --> 01:26:41,400
light

2093
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:44,460
strange gyrations actually and Bruce

2094
01:26:47,629 --> 01:26:46,020
analyzed that

2095
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:47,639
can't explain what the hell those

2096
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:49,739
streaks of light are and the strange

2097
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:52,800
thing is a phone converted its pixel

2098
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,060
relationship to a unique format only on

2099
01:27:01,850 --> 01:26:59,520
that one picture no one can explain on

2100
01:27:02,990 --> 01:27:01,860
that phone changed its pixel

2101
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,000
relationship

2102
01:27:08,689 --> 01:27:06,960
it's essential you know phone internals

2103
01:27:10,910 --> 01:27:08,699
there's no way to do that you can't do

2104
01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:10,920
there's no settings to do that so but

2105
01:27:15,890 --> 01:27:13,500
the detail Bruce brings to the table is

2106
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:15,900
so unique so we prove that the video

2107
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:18,420
that the photo that she shot when she

2108
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:21,840
saw that Predator is anomalous nobody

2109
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:24,239
knows what the hell that was at the same

2110
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:26,580
time she was shooting that video or that

2111
01:27:31,970 --> 01:27:29,280
photo I keep saying that photo there was

2112
01:27:34,129 --> 01:27:31,980
a UFO event a few miles away over a high

2113
01:27:37,729 --> 01:27:34,139
school game going on and everybody

2114
01:27:40,370 --> 01:27:37,739
witnessed the UFO so it's a very unique

2115
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:40,380
story that there was a major Mass UFO

2116
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:43,080
sighting in Ohio right near where she

2117
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:45,000
lived witnessed by one of their

2118
01:27:49,729 --> 01:27:46,320
relatives

2119
01:27:54,490 --> 01:27:49,739
and it's an amazing story yeah I would

2120
01:27:59,629 --> 01:27:56,990
even though she motivates

2121
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,639
um she motivates her husband to look at

2122
01:28:03,410 --> 01:28:01,199
this Bigfoot and now all of a sudden we

2123
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:03,420
got new Bigfoot evidence inside the

2124
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:06,540
battlefield but it gets even better

2125
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:08,880
a few I'm not gonna say when literally

2126
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,440
part of the movie We're Gonna See it'll

2127
01:28:14,330 --> 01:28:12,719
be a movie about Jan and Bruce

2128
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,340
and you know all this will be in there

2129
01:28:18,590 --> 01:28:16,800
and probably some of the greatest UFO

2130
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:18,600
videos ever aired

2131
01:28:23,149 --> 01:28:20,280
we'll be on because Bruce is the one

2132
01:28:25,010 --> 01:28:23,159
with me analyzing those videos that you

2133
01:28:27,709 --> 01:28:25,020
watched right so it's a chance to really

2134
01:28:30,890 --> 01:28:27,719
get back into the best evidence of UFOs

2135
01:28:33,649 --> 01:28:30,900
right but hold on it's not just Bigfoot

2136
01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:33,659
it's not just Predators from God knows

2137
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:36,780
where I'm already I'm are you you hear

2138
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:38,520
me at the Bigfoot now we've got a

2139
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:41,400
predator and UFOs too this is gonna

2140
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:42,960
really put me in a weird position with

2141
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:43,800
you now

2142
01:28:48,110 --> 01:28:45,719
so

2143
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,120
apparently

2144
01:28:53,570 --> 01:28:51,360
I will call it a a year or two ago

2145
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:53,580
she was in her backyard

2146
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:55,980
and she was filming

2147
01:29:02,149 --> 01:28:59,520
shooting things were happening whatever

2148
01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:02,159
prior to that she captured what she

2149
01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:04,199
thought was something in the sky

2150
01:29:08,030 --> 01:29:06,420
looked like a UFO

2151
01:29:10,010 --> 01:29:08,040
then she shot a picture it looked like

2152
01:29:10,990 --> 01:29:10,020
something coming toward the trees

2153
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,000
okay

2154
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,960
later on

2155
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:14,639
sometime later

2156
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:17,040
she captured this thing

2157
01:29:22,129 --> 01:29:18,840
that she believed coming out of this

2158
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:22,139
thing in the sky coming toward her

2159
01:29:27,290 --> 01:29:25,980
she vote shot video of it she shot

2160
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,300
photos of it

2161
01:29:32,270 --> 01:29:29,280
one time she was shooting video of it

2162
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:32,280
such great video Bruce is standing

2163
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:35,760
behind her looking at the camera seeing

2164
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:38,400
it on the cell phone cam but you can't

2165
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:40,620
see it with your eyes

2166
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:43,380
Steve that's bizarre it looks like a

2167
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,500
freaking fairy it's unbelievable

2168
01:29:49,450 --> 01:29:48,239
and you're going to have all these uh

2169
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:49,460
videos

2170
01:29:54,649 --> 01:29:52,679
I I can't even start with my editor I

2171
01:29:57,470 --> 01:29:54,659
can't even begin to put this together

2172
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:57,480
it's so incredible she's got so many

2173
01:30:02,270 --> 01:30:00,239
photos to show the scene the setup she's

2174
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:02,280
got a video of this thing flying in near

2175
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,040
the fire Vince has got a great still

2176
01:30:10,850 --> 01:30:08,159
shot of this thing just sitting there on

2177
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:10,860
her deck it looks like the thing from um

2178
01:30:16,729 --> 01:30:14,280
the little uh Tinker Bell from uh from

2179
01:30:18,649 --> 01:30:16,739
uh from Disney it's it's uh that's

2180
01:30:20,570 --> 01:30:18,659
bizarre earnings and everything and I

2181
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,580
know people are gonna go yeah he's just

2182
01:30:24,590 --> 01:30:22,320
trying to make this come back now he's

2183
01:30:28,129 --> 01:30:24,600
got the new show he's got some new

2184
01:30:31,610 --> 01:30:28,139
exciting footage right now that fairy

2185
01:30:34,010 --> 01:30:31,620
whatever you she calls it a blue entity

2186
01:30:35,149 --> 01:30:34,020
I don't call it a fairy either but I

2187
01:30:37,610 --> 01:30:35,159
don't know what to call it because it

2188
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:37,620
looks like a little fairy now we all

2189
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:40,380
know about the cup the famous bakes of

2190
01:30:45,890 --> 01:30:42,840
fairies over the years I mean moosad

2191
01:30:47,450 --> 01:30:45,900
faked that [\h__\h] too no it's funny I know

2192
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,460
you mentioned that in the last uh one of

2193
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:49,199
the last thing you did and the funny

2194
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:52,639
thing is it's the Santa Barbara Museum

2195
01:30:59,090 --> 01:30:56,760
in California that evoke that that big

2196
01:31:00,770 --> 01:30:59,100
are you aware of that oh no I'm not

2197
01:31:03,050 --> 01:31:00,780
aware of that I know somebody looked at

2198
01:31:04,430 --> 01:31:03,060
it and they were like wow fake Steve

2199
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:04,440
when you talk to me you know you and I

2200
01:31:08,689 --> 01:31:05,940
were like we're like Kindred Spirits so

2201
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,699
it's interesting I knew what where it

2202
01:31:11,450 --> 01:31:10,320
was faked I knew that Jaime and other

2203
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,460
people tried to make a big deal about

2204
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:13,440
this Ferry you know you know about the

2205
01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:15,600
pilt man bones you know the old the old

2206
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,280
famous fake where they tried to fake a

2207
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,199
creature by putting bones together with

2208
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:21,840
you know it's basically like that you

2209
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:25,440
take two bats the wings of a bat yeah

2210
01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:28,980
yeah or PT Barnum you take a monkey and

2211
01:31:34,669 --> 01:31:31,500
a fish and you make a mermaid so we're

2212
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:34,679
very aware of those kinds of frauds so

2213
01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:37,920
this photographic evidence of what

2214
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,460
appears to be something and I'm sure I

2215
01:31:44,750 --> 01:31:42,960
know Ron will probably say because he's

2216
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,760
friends with Bruce that you know Bruce

2217
01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:46,560
is just a little more you know believing

2218
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:48,360
than maybe he should and I'm trying to

2219
01:31:51,770 --> 01:31:49,980
be nice here but I'm trying to get I

2220
01:31:53,870 --> 01:31:51,780
want Ron to comment see I'm trying my

2221
01:31:57,530 --> 01:31:53,880
best to bring this relationship

2222
01:31:59,930 --> 01:31:57,540
Bruce and Jan maybe even Ron and Bruce

2223
01:32:01,729 --> 01:31:59,940
there's a unique aspect to this stuff

2224
01:32:03,649 --> 01:32:01,739
that I want people to know this is a

2225
01:32:05,930 --> 01:32:03,659
great story about the people that have

2226
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,940
been dealing with ufology and Mysteries

2227
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:07,920
and the government and television

2228
01:32:13,090 --> 01:32:11,159
producers like me for years people know

2229
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,100
these stories all they know is

2230
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,679
uh

2231
01:32:20,090 --> 01:32:18,000
you know I'm sitting there watching CNN

2232
01:32:21,229 --> 01:32:20,100
when we went on CNN and I'm watching it

2233
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:21,239
I'm going

2234
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:23,940
he's like an actor he's a very good

2235
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,880
actor the way he just presented it and

2236
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:28,400
he kind of like

2237
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,850
yeah you and I you know I don't know

2238
01:32:44,209 --> 01:32:42,480
where we meet and where how we met but

2239
01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:44,219
I'm telling you right now you just took

2240
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:45,480
the words out of my mouth I was about to

2241
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:47,820
say to you just well you know what it is

2242
01:32:51,229 --> 01:32:49,860
you use your mind control device on me

2243
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:51,239
when I was a child through the

2244
01:32:59,810 --> 01:32:58,010
you know the idea

2245
01:33:01,910 --> 01:32:59,820
pleasure to get to talk to you because I

2246
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,920
remember finally my dad likes some of

2247
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,360
that stuff too and we used to get

2248
01:33:07,070 --> 01:33:05,520
popcorn and have snacks and watch this

2249
01:33:08,930 --> 01:33:07,080
stuff you know I love that it was like

2250
01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:08,940
what are you doing right you know what's

2251
01:33:12,590 --> 01:33:10,920
funny is Chris Carter of the X-Files

2252
01:33:14,209 --> 01:33:12,600
used to tell the Fox network and he

2253
01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:14,219
denied it for years but then finally it

2254
01:33:18,649 --> 01:33:15,900
was admitted to me by Fox

2255
01:33:20,450 --> 01:33:18,659
okay Chris Carter would say don't give

2256
01:33:22,669 --> 01:33:20,460
Bob kivia more than a couple of specials

2257
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:22,679
a year even at that because he's hurting

2258
01:33:26,090 --> 01:33:24,179
the Exiles

2259
01:33:30,430 --> 01:33:26,100
oh because you're showing how fake some

2260
01:33:34,570 --> 01:33:30,440
of the stuff was or can I be frank [\h__\h]

2261
01:33:37,550 --> 01:33:34,580
you were affecting X-Files ratings maybe

2262
01:33:40,370 --> 01:33:37,560
well you know what if I I liked X-Files

2263
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:40,380
but if I had to choose when about that

2264
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:42,239
time if I had to choose between one of

2265
01:33:46,189 --> 01:33:43,980
your specials where something may be

2266
01:33:48,729 --> 01:33:46,199
evidence of real things and true stories

2267
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:48,739
or a fictional

2268
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:51,360
X-Files I would go for your thing but

2269
01:33:55,310 --> 01:33:52,920
that's me I'm sure a lot of people would

2270
01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:55,320
agree with me I'll be honest with you I

2271
01:34:00,110 --> 01:33:57,780
don't I don't enjoy that many science

2272
01:34:02,570 --> 01:34:00,120
fiction movies the only reason why I

2273
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:02,580
enjoy Stanley Kubrick as like the man

2274
01:34:08,330 --> 01:34:04,860
his biggest Stanley would research

2275
01:34:09,649 --> 01:34:08,340
something to a level that you can't even

2276
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:09,659
imagine

2277
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:12,120
the detail that he would put into every

2278
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:16,800
shot every scene every storyline so is

2279
01:34:20,810 --> 01:34:18,300
it interesting that years later I do

2280
01:34:22,490 --> 01:34:20,820
aliens on the moon showing what may be

2281
01:34:24,649 --> 01:34:22,500
structures on the moon

2282
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:24,659
and then Buzz Aldrin says in the show

2283
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:26,340
people should go watch it you can see it

2284
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:27,900
on Shout Factory right now shout

2285
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:31,199
factory.com literally speaking Buzz

2286
01:34:34,850 --> 01:34:33,360
Aldrin says to me

2287
01:34:36,770 --> 01:34:34,860
we don't want to talk about the moon

2288
01:34:40,610 --> 01:34:36,780
here off camera he said we don't talk

2289
01:34:42,729 --> 01:34:40,620
about this Moon there's a monolith

2290
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:45,290
a model with like Steven like literally

2291
01:34:49,970 --> 01:34:47,400
like you know Steve like Stanley Kubrick

2292
01:34:52,010 --> 01:34:49,980
wrote about in 2001 Space Odyssey which

2293
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,020
really was off of C Clark from the short

2294
01:34:57,709 --> 01:34:54,480
story he wrote so what you're really

2295
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:57,719
looking at here is me trying to see if

2296
01:35:02,209 --> 01:35:00,480
Stanley Kubrick was kind of like either

2297
01:35:04,189 --> 01:35:02,219
tipped off a little bit

2298
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:04,199
I don't think he faked the moon landing

2299
01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:05,760
by the way anybody who says that's just

2300
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:07,860
out of their minds but definitely

2301
01:35:14,330 --> 01:35:11,040
Stanley was working with NASA dealing

2302
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:14,340
with Cameron's so it's interesting that

2303
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:17,760
the plot line in 2001 Space Odyssey led

2304
01:35:21,950 --> 01:35:20,639
me to do aliens on the moon and there's

2305
01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:21,960
like one of the guys the second guy

2306
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:24,360
walks on the moon says Bob I don't want

2307
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,520
to talk about this moon I want to look

2308
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:28,560
at the monolith on the Moon by Mars

2309
01:35:33,950 --> 01:35:31,440
called Phobos we should be going there

2310
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,960
that's amazing it is amazing and it

2311
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,520
always wondered it always made me wonder

2312
01:35:39,850 --> 01:35:37,440
why they didn't get better Imaging of

2313
01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:39,860
that with these latest probes

2314
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:44,460
and by the way spooky is here Baba and I

2315
01:35:48,290 --> 01:35:46,080
should tell you that spooky is the

2316
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,300
biggest X-Files fan of anybody I know

2317
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:50,880
and spooky says Chris Carter ruined

2318
01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:53,840
X-Files I don't know why

2319
01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:57,120
spooky Chanel spooky here's what

2320
01:36:01,010 --> 01:35:57,960
happened

2321
01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,020
the show came on the air and my friend

2322
01:36:05,149 --> 01:36:03,060
called a pilot and Howard Gordon called

2323
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:05,159
me up and said yes it's pilot called The

2324
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:07,199
X-Files I'm coming over to your office

2325
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:08,880
there's nobody from New York right he's

2326
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:10,860
coming over he says my friend and she's

2327
01:36:15,229 --> 01:36:13,560
been he says my agent wants me to maybe

2328
01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:15,239
go look at the show call The X-Files

2329
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:16,199
what do you think he's sitting here

2330
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:17,400
don't solve mysteries in my offices

2331
01:36:21,050 --> 01:36:19,320
right there right he says Bob you have

2332
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:21,060
all these files these UFO stories you're

2333
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:23,280
doing what do you think I said well

2334
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:25,260
Howie it's about two FBI agents looking

2335
01:36:30,770 --> 01:36:27,600
at UFOs how could that fail that's a

2336
01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:30,780
great idea looking at real UFO cases the

2337
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:33,659
first episode has the lines based on

2338
01:36:39,530 --> 01:36:36,500
actual events kind of thing right yeah

2339
01:36:41,629 --> 01:36:39,540
they shied away from that how it went

2340
01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:41,639
how it did go and worked on the show for

2341
01:36:45,530 --> 01:36:42,540
three years

2342
01:36:47,709 --> 01:36:45,540
during the first season they tried to

2343
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:47,719
work in Gulf Breeze Florida

2344
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,760
Roswell they tried to work in real

2345
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:52,800
articles being written in the newspapers

2346
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:55,679
they tried to base their stories spooky

2347
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:59,639
on as much based on fact as they could

2348
01:37:03,950 --> 01:37:01,500
and it became a hit

2349
01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:03,960
then in my humble opinion even though

2350
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:05,820
Chris was telling people at Fox about to

2351
01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:07,260
give me enough specials to tell the

2352
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:11,940
truth about things uh screw him uh keep

2353
01:37:14,990 --> 01:37:13,260
in mind that takes food off my table

2354
01:37:17,450 --> 01:37:15,000
those are fighting words you know what I

2355
01:37:18,830 --> 01:37:17,460
mean you tell someone you try to stop

2356
01:37:21,290 --> 01:37:18,840
someone from getting shows on the

2357
01:37:23,390 --> 01:37:21,300
network that are informing Steve Camion

2358
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,400
or whatever your name what was your name

2359
01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:25,679
then yeah it's the same name yeah it's

2360
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:27,960
fine no it's fine I'm sorry but I

2361
01:37:31,490 --> 01:37:30,060
understand because he he kind of went he

2362
01:37:33,649 --> 01:37:31,500
kind of tried to hit you in the pocket

2363
01:37:35,870 --> 01:37:33,659
for all he knows that you know they were

2364
01:37:37,129 --> 01:37:35,880
going to give you excuse me he sees me

2365
01:37:39,709 --> 01:37:37,139
with my friend Howard going the fox

2366
01:37:40,970 --> 01:37:39,719
slots he goes hey baba so tell me about

2367
01:37:42,590 --> 01:37:40,980
Gulf Breeze a little bit I'm like you

2368
01:37:44,270 --> 01:37:42,600
know you know Chris if you want to pick

2369
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:44,280
my brain for free I have Howard do it on

2370
01:37:47,870 --> 01:37:45,900
the phone with friend to friend you

2371
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:47,880
don't do that with me

2372
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:50,340
so we have a little more between me and

2373
01:37:55,010 --> 01:37:51,600
Chris I could talk about some other day

2374
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:55,020
but I won't today but I will say this I

2375
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,020
am appreciative of the files it's pretty

2376
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,239
clear if these files wasn't on the air

2377
01:38:06,169 --> 01:38:02,159
before I did my specials there

2378
01:38:08,450 --> 01:38:06,179
probably wouldn't be alien autopsy

2379
01:38:10,610 --> 01:38:08,460
yeah that's pretty interesting they

2380
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:10,620
really wanted that show badly because

2381
01:38:15,649 --> 01:38:13,679
look let's face it in 1995 The X-Files

2382
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:15,659
is hot how's that going to go to a

2383
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:16,800
different network

2384
01:38:21,890 --> 01:38:19,620
yeah and I feel aware but many of the

2385
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:21,900
grifters use the X-Files for Source

2386
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:24,360
material like for example the black AI

2387
01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:27,600
goo that the super soldier frauds all

2388
01:38:32,209 --> 01:38:29,340
talk about that was an episode of

2389
01:38:35,209 --> 01:38:32,219
X-Files it was on the black goo was on

2390
01:38:37,310 --> 01:38:35,219
an episode of X-Files they all or Xbox

2391
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:37,320
fans that's a little better because what

2392
01:38:41,689 --> 01:38:39,840
spooky is saying is they fell in love

2393
01:38:45,410 --> 01:38:41,699
with their status

2394
01:38:47,629 --> 01:38:45,420
they my friend Howard moved off the show

2395
01:38:49,850 --> 01:38:47,639
um they fell into this like we're gonna

2396
01:38:51,770 --> 01:38:49,860
be just like a spooky Showdown no

2397
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,780
offense Pokey we're gonna be like you

2398
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:54,000
know we're gonna be ghosts we're going

2399
01:38:58,729 --> 01:38:56,400
to be Cults we're gonna be whatever it

2400
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,739
could be but the reality is

2401
01:39:04,669 --> 01:39:00,719
Chris never wanted it to be called the

2402
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:04,679
UFO doc a doc or drama it was always a

2403
01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:07,380
UFO drama there's no TV Guide wrote

2404
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,739
about it being a UFO drama I I liked all

2405
01:39:14,209 --> 01:39:12,480
the episodes but the ones with that

2406
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:14,219
involved the aliens were my favorites

2407
01:39:17,209 --> 01:39:15,780
because they would go off in different

2408
01:39:20,030 --> 01:39:17,219
directions for a while but they always

2409
01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:20,040
came back to the aliens and that those

2410
01:39:23,629 --> 01:39:22,199
were my favorite stories but anyway when

2411
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,639
you get into this whole idea about

2412
01:39:29,050 --> 01:39:25,679
networks doing their responsibilities

2413
01:39:33,229 --> 01:39:29,060
and whatnot I had a series going called

2414
01:39:37,129 --> 01:39:33,239
alien autopsy fact or fiction Miracles

2415
01:39:40,010 --> 01:39:37,139
and Visions fact or fiction soon soon to

2416
01:39:43,010 --> 01:39:40,020
be ghost caught on tape fact or fiction

2417
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,020
these are my bookend shows sure we did

2418
01:39:47,930 --> 01:39:45,360
Prophecies of the Millennium show we did

2419
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,940
world's greatest hoaxes but Secrets

2420
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:49,920
Revealed but we were literally trying to

2421
01:39:53,410 --> 01:39:51,300
do a series called

2422
01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:53,420
fact or fiction

2423
01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:57,420
Chris gave that no chance by only doing

2424
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:59,699
a few specials a year there was no way

2425
01:40:05,450 --> 01:40:02,159
to build that kind of momentum for a

2426
01:40:08,450 --> 01:40:05,460
series on Fox after I'm done pretty much

2427
01:40:11,930 --> 01:40:08,460
with my specials or in the middle of my

2428
01:40:15,050 --> 01:40:11,940
specials Fox network asked me could they

2429
01:40:17,870 --> 01:40:15,060
use my host Jonathan Franks

2430
01:40:21,110 --> 01:40:17,880
to a narrator to host a show called

2431
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:21,120
beyond belief I said why would you need

2432
01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:24,000
that from me well we want to use fact or

2433
01:40:29,570 --> 01:40:25,860
fiction I said well why would you do

2434
01:40:32,689 --> 01:40:29,580
that well the show's concept is beyond

2435
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:32,699
belief fact or fiction five stories are

2436
01:40:37,129 --> 01:40:35,400
real are fake one might be based in some

2437
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,139
fact they went on you guys so you're

2438
01:40:42,169 --> 01:40:39,360
using my fact or fiction

2439
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,179
two yeah using my whole concept and now

2440
01:40:46,729 --> 01:40:44,880
you want my host too yeah yeah so by the

2441
01:40:49,149 --> 01:40:46,739
way I was going to ask you because I was

2442
01:40:52,669 --> 01:40:49,159
a huge Star Trek the Next Generation fan

2443
01:40:54,530 --> 01:40:52,679
did you get to how what is he like in

2444
01:40:56,750 --> 01:40:54,540
real life Jonathan let me say about

2445
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:56,760
Jonathan so we're on the way to uh the

2446
01:41:01,550 --> 01:40:59,760
uh shooting the host raps at Roswell at

2447
01:41:03,770 --> 01:41:01,560
the airport there the Roswell the hangar

2448
01:41:07,010 --> 01:41:03,780
we're going to the hangar right and in

2449
01:41:08,930 --> 01:41:07,020
the limo I'm sitting across from Franks

2450
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:08,940
back then you could not get a direct

2451
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,239
flight from LA to Roswell you had to go

2452
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:14,880
like a second flight so Jonathan I take

2453
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:17,040
a second slide so by the time it gets

2454
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:18,600
into the limo at the second flight place

2455
01:41:23,570 --> 01:41:22,800
he's not happy so I sit in the car I got

2456
01:41:26,030 --> 01:41:23,580
it because

2457
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,040
all right give me it

2458
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,840
so you went for the ball guy and you got

2459
01:41:31,490 --> 01:41:29,040
me

2460
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,500
we actually did go for Picard we went

2461
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,360
for driving oh you were originally That

2462
01:41:38,050 --> 01:41:35,040
was supposed to oh Patrick Stewart right

2463
01:41:40,910 --> 01:41:38,060
no no we went for William Shatner first

2464
01:41:46,850 --> 01:41:40,920
oh wow William Shatner wanted half the

2465
01:41:52,609 --> 01:41:49,689
on Netflix yeah

2466
01:41:54,830 --> 01:41:52,619
it's very good actually he's a decent

2467
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:54,840
host but if you saw if you saw him he

2468
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,360
wanted half the budget of the show the

2469
01:42:02,870 --> 01:41:59,520
number is Agent Davis was like uh that's

2470
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:02,880
a no so then our next guy in the list

2471
01:42:09,290 --> 01:42:06,960
was uh uh you know uh Patrick Stewart

2472
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:09,300
and uh like my one of my people came and

2473
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,840
said he just can't do it and I go Fricks

2474
01:42:16,250 --> 01:42:14,639
so Jonathan kind of ripped me a little

2475
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,260
bit but he was very cool you know during

2476
01:42:19,930 --> 01:42:18,000
the host raps he heard me saying I never

2477
01:42:24,970 --> 01:42:19,940
I don't think anybody ever knew that so

2478
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:27,109
be clear

2479
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:30,420
you're talking about in in an hour

2480
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:31,440
meaning

2481
01:42:37,490 --> 01:42:34,860
our meeting number one I gave Fox a list

2482
01:42:40,669 --> 01:42:37,500
of hosts I started with three Star Trek

2483
01:42:43,129 --> 01:42:40,679
guys obvious reasons uh it would also in

2484
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:43,139
many ways hurt UPN they had their

2485
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:46,380
Voyager on so I was trying my best to

2486
01:42:49,490 --> 01:42:48,420
kind of like you know you know kind of

2487
01:42:52,850 --> 01:42:49,500
like you know do a little counter

2488
01:42:54,350 --> 01:42:52,860
programming too so I nearly witnessed it

2489
01:42:56,570 --> 01:42:54,360
I knew we wouldn't get

2490
01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:56,580
William shat I just knew that I just

2491
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,380
knew it I knew we probably wouldn't get

2492
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:00,960
Patrick Stewart I really wanted Frakes

2493
01:43:06,970 --> 01:43:04,560
I had done some research and Frakes was

2494
01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:06,980
doing books he was basically a great

2495
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,340
narrator I knew that first I loved the

2496
01:43:15,370 --> 01:43:13,920
guy's voice he was on Jonathan Frakes

2497
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:15,380
love him

2498
01:43:20,270 --> 01:43:18,480
amazing he helped me out on ghost caught

2499
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:20,280
on tape fact or fiction and UFOs caught

2500
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:24,060
on tape number two in 2000 it was a a

2501
01:43:28,669 --> 01:43:25,679
crazy production we were trying to save

2502
01:43:31,010 --> 01:43:28,679
Fox's butt and we did we'll get into

2503
01:43:32,510 --> 01:43:31,020
that story tonight just another time Fox

2504
01:43:33,770 --> 01:43:32,520
had to cancel a whole bunch of shows

2505
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:33,780
because they got in trouble for doing

2506
01:43:37,250 --> 01:43:35,820
some things and finally they needed me

2507
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:37,260
to come in with two shows out of nowhere

2508
01:43:42,530 --> 01:43:40,440
they go Bob do UFOs color tape too do

2509
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,540
ghost caught on tape number one let's go

2510
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:44,880
it's like it was the quickest sale

2511
01:43:48,590 --> 01:43:46,920
meeting ever out of my life I walked out

2512
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:48,600
of there on the fox said I was like what

2513
01:43:54,410 --> 01:43:51,420
just happened right I gotta hurry up and

2514
01:43:55,609 --> 01:43:54,420
make two television shows Chris Carr

2515
01:43:57,109 --> 01:43:55,619
doesn't want me to get two in a year and

2516
01:44:00,169 --> 01:43:57,119
I get two in one night you know what I

2517
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,179
mean so so then it becomes Bob tries to

2518
01:44:05,570 --> 01:44:02,400
help Fox there were very difficult shows

2519
01:44:07,850 --> 01:44:05,580
to create in four weeks we did it I was

2520
01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:07,860
almost on by a ventilator you know

2521
01:44:11,629 --> 01:44:09,540
before there ever was a need for that I

2522
01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:11,639
was like I was like yeah I'm kidding but

2523
01:44:16,850 --> 01:44:14,280
I was asleep like a baby when Jonathan

2524
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:16,860
came in to narrate the last show with

2525
01:44:21,290 --> 01:44:18,840
one of my supervising producers because

2526
01:44:23,649 --> 01:44:21,300
I was out I was like cold but he read

2527
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,659
from the script did a fantastic job

2528
01:44:27,709 --> 01:44:26,159
Jonathan Frakes got the idea or someone

2529
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:27,719
got the idea to do the show Roswell

2530
01:44:32,450 --> 01:44:31,020
remember those kids Roswell Jonathan was

2531
01:44:34,430 --> 01:44:32,460
one of the riches

2532
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:34,440
oh that's interesting Oh Donna so

2533
01:44:37,970 --> 01:44:35,940
Jonathan comes out on the set right

2534
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:37,980
we're at the Roswell thing he's ripping

2535
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:40,560
me he's going so Bob I heard what you

2536
01:44:44,750 --> 01:44:42,360
said to one of your assistants was that

2537
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,760
enough for Orson Welles for you I want

2538
01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:46,560
them to be a little like Orson Welles he

2539
01:44:50,510 --> 01:44:48,300
had that kind of like you know beard and

2540
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:50,520
he had that going on so I would say come

2541
01:44:54,890 --> 01:44:52,679
on Jonathan be you but he wrote a little

2542
01:44:57,229 --> 01:44:54,900
that you know yeah a little bit of that

2543
01:44:59,149 --> 01:44:57,239
you know so after one of the takes down

2544
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,159
that goes come here

2545
01:45:03,609 --> 01:45:01,440
instead of whales were you

2546
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,619
we have these outings

2547
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:05,760
so Jonathan was really great and

2548
01:45:09,410 --> 01:45:07,440
Jonathan by the way

2549
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:09,420
I believe he's doing a great job with

2550
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:12,239
the new Star Trek I'm I I was so uh

2551
01:45:17,330 --> 01:45:15,300
bloated did I work yeah I I didn't

2552
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:17,340
expect much because when an actor turns

2553
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:19,380
director you think well he's sick of

2554
01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:20,820
being in front of the camera he's still

2555
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:22,920
looking for a paycheck I don't expect

2556
01:45:27,169 --> 01:45:25,320
much how do you expect much from him but

2557
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,179
that was great work that he's been doing

2558
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:29,280
so anyway I'm motivated now because I

2559
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:30,960
see what how Jonathan has sort of

2560
01:45:35,870 --> 01:45:33,300
revamped his career a little bit I'm

2561
01:45:38,510 --> 01:45:35,880
going a direction a little closer I'm

2562
01:45:40,850 --> 01:45:38,520
going to feature documentaries now Steve

2563
01:45:44,270 --> 01:45:40,860
because the History Channels of the

2564
01:45:46,729 --> 01:45:44,280
world the travel channels of the world

2565
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:46,739
even Fox having me

2566
01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:50,040
bad Judgment of airing a show called TMZ

2567
01:45:55,370 --> 01:45:53,400
investigates the Pentagon UFOs where

2568
01:45:57,010 --> 01:45:55,380
Harvey oh that was terrible that was

2569
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:57,020
terrible Bob

2570
01:46:02,450 --> 01:46:00,719
Evan uh that was uh Steve said that not

2571
01:46:05,450 --> 01:46:02,460
me

2572
01:46:06,770 --> 01:46:05,460
that's my opinion there's nothing out

2573
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:06,780
there that might know what I'm talking

2574
01:46:10,189 --> 01:46:09,000
about but there's not there's another

2575
01:46:12,890 --> 01:46:10,199
event we're going to talk about before I

2576
01:46:15,950 --> 01:46:12,900
get off the offer you tonight and so I

2577
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:15,960
want to mention to you that there is

2578
01:46:21,709 --> 01:46:18,239
four movies

2579
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:21,719
and one documentary series that is going

2580
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:22,920
to come out in the next two or three

2581
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:25,920
years for me that's gonna hopefully the

2582
01:46:30,050 --> 01:46:27,420
next Steve can be as I'll be watching

2583
01:46:33,050 --> 01:46:30,060
and they'll see what we want to do now

2584
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:33,060
we want to take the public a step back

2585
01:46:38,450 --> 01:46:36,480
and say we all love mysteries we all

2586
01:46:39,770 --> 01:46:38,460
have evidence of the unknown The

2587
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,780
Unexplained

2588
01:46:44,930 --> 01:46:41,520
but we don't want to be bullshitted to

2589
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:44,940
we don't want to be fooled we don't want

2590
01:46:50,689 --> 01:46:47,760
to be hoaxed we don't want that and

2591
01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:50,699
we're going to show people how you make

2592
01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:52,860
sure you get people to tell the truth

2593
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:54,780
and you do it you have this here from

2594
01:47:00,350 --> 01:46:58,080
your Twitter that I can share yeah so I

2595
01:47:02,270 --> 01:47:00,360
love this one show this show called The

2596
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:02,280
Mandela effect is six years in the

2597
01:47:05,810 --> 01:47:03,840
making if I don't know if there's

2598
01:47:08,030 --> 01:47:05,820
anything to that but it drives me crazy

2599
01:47:10,910 --> 01:47:08,040
because some of that's true like I

2600
01:47:13,310 --> 01:47:10,920
remember the monocle on the Monopoly guy

2601
01:47:15,169 --> 01:47:13,320
I remember the question we are going to

2602
01:47:17,930 --> 01:47:15,179
show people this show is not based on

2603
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:17,940
hearsay it's not based on this movie

2604
01:47:22,250 --> 01:47:19,679
we're going to be developing and

2605
01:47:24,649 --> 01:47:22,260
finishing this year and hopefully will

2606
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:24,659
he be airing in 2024 I think we'll

2607
01:47:29,390 --> 01:47:25,920
probably finish it sometime in early

2608
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:29,400
2023 to mid-2023. we are releasing it

2609
01:47:35,810 --> 01:47:32,159
with a very unique distribution model

2610
01:47:38,570 --> 01:47:35,820
this model allows the investors to be

2611
01:47:39,790 --> 01:47:38,580
part of the money making not like people

2612
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:39,800
who do

2613
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:42,239
crowdsourcing where they literally

2614
01:47:46,430 --> 01:47:44,880
convince people oh my God we got to get

2615
01:47:48,530 --> 01:47:46,440
this out to the public we need money

2616
01:47:49,729 --> 01:47:48,540
from you and then we make it we make

2617
01:47:53,090 --> 01:47:49,739
money we don't give you back your money

2618
01:47:56,030 --> 01:47:53,100
what what is that that's as fraudulent

2619
01:47:58,129 --> 01:47:56,040
as I could ever imagine if you go and

2620
01:48:00,490 --> 01:47:58,139
say I'm gonna go tell the world about

2621
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:00,500
UFOs or I want to tell the world about

2622
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,080
any mystery and you do that by

2623
01:48:08,570 --> 01:48:06,480
convincing Believers to just give you

2624
01:48:10,850 --> 01:48:08,580
money so you can go make it and you

2625
01:48:12,729 --> 01:48:10,860
don't give them back their money and you

2626
01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:12,739
don't give them profit participation

2627
01:48:17,450 --> 01:48:15,719
well we are going to be Reinventing this

2628
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,460
whole model to some degree that sounds

2629
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,679
like ttsa just give us your money no no

2630
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:22,800
no no no no no no no the bad way of

2631
01:48:25,970 --> 01:48:24,659
doing it no I mean a Distribution

2632
01:48:28,750 --> 01:48:25,980
Company

2633
01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:28,760
that literally learned how to do this

2634
01:48:34,609 --> 01:48:32,040
with different types of product

2635
01:48:36,590 --> 01:48:34,619
that may or may not be the kind of

2636
01:48:38,810 --> 01:48:36,600
product that I would ever get behind

2637
01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:38,820
we are now going to show the public

2638
01:48:43,129 --> 01:48:40,739
using this model

2639
01:48:44,990 --> 01:48:43,139
how you can be part of these projects

2640
01:48:47,810 --> 01:48:45,000
but you can also

2641
01:48:49,550 --> 01:48:47,820
of course see these movies be part of

2642
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:49,560
them and you're a part of the business

2643
01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:51,900
as well and that way you have a vested

2644
01:48:57,290 --> 01:48:55,080
interest in the veracity the truth

2645
01:49:00,350 --> 01:48:57,300
what's really going on now back to the

2646
01:49:02,930 --> 01:49:00,360
Mandela effect the Mandela effect is not

2647
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:02,940
a joke you're talking about evidence

2648
01:49:11,450 --> 01:49:07,520
that you can point to in shows music

2649
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:11,460
products there's no doubt at one time

2650
01:49:17,149 --> 01:49:14,880
some people were saying these were the

2651
01:49:19,370 --> 01:49:17,159
way these shows were made or these were

2652
01:49:22,430 --> 01:49:19,380
scenes were there's no doubt that

2653
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:22,440
there's evidence that at one time it

2654
01:49:27,649 --> 01:49:25,080
appears to a jury 12 people in a

2655
01:49:31,490 --> 01:49:27,659
courtroom would have to say well that's

2656
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:31,500
evidence at some point it was that now

2657
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:34,920
was it only that was that only one

2658
01:49:39,050 --> 01:49:37,440
mistake made by a newspaper or one

2659
01:49:42,109 --> 01:49:39,060
mistake made by a host at an Academy

2660
01:49:44,090 --> 01:49:42,119
Awards or is there more is there a

2661
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:44,100
backbone of evidence

2662
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,800
I believe there is and people are going

2663
01:49:51,169 --> 01:49:48,480
to see the same way you look at UFO

2664
01:49:52,609 --> 01:49:51,179
videos the same way you look at any kind

2665
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:52,619
of evidence you want to bring to a

2666
01:49:57,229 --> 01:49:54,840
scientist you can bring the Mandela

2667
01:50:00,169 --> 01:49:57,239
effect evidence in there's no doubt and

2668
01:50:03,229 --> 01:50:00,179
that evidence has been unfairly not

2669
01:50:05,629 --> 01:50:03,239
looked into by the media just like UFOs

2670
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,639
before I got involved so I really

2671
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,159
believe that UFOs were never given the

2672
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:10,080
treatment before someone like me got

2673
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,719
involved and people were saying I won't

2674
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,639
put that alien autopsy on until I know

2675
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,040
it's true wait a minute the world's

2676
01:50:21,169 --> 01:50:19,440
already talking about it so let's take

2677
01:50:23,870 --> 01:50:21,179
it off the market

2678
01:50:25,729 --> 01:50:23,880
let's look at it and see what's really

2679
01:50:28,129 --> 01:50:25,739
there and you had a budget so you could

2680
01:50:29,810 --> 01:50:28,139
have the experts look at it exactly so

2681
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:29,820
back to the alien autopsy and the rest

2682
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:32,639
of it if you can take it off the market

2683
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:36,960
so to speak and die devote all your

2684
01:50:41,689 --> 01:50:38,960
journalistic and investigative skills

2685
01:50:43,310 --> 01:50:41,699
and you're left with let's say one

2686
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,320
Mandela effect

2687
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:45,119
that is that looks like for those who

2688
01:50:51,649 --> 01:50:47,460
don't know what this is there's evidence

2689
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:51,659
that something in our known timeline in

2690
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:55,440
our Known World Universe call it our

2691
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:56,520
dimension

2692
01:51:02,209 --> 01:50:59,520
something changed at one time for

2693
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,219
instance there appears to be a plethora

2694
01:51:08,570 --> 01:51:05,280
of evidence that at one time the show

2695
01:51:11,689 --> 01:51:08,580
was called Sex in the City

2696
01:51:13,070 --> 01:51:11,699
now it's called Sex and the City we're

2697
01:51:16,189 --> 01:51:13,080
not just going to show like people

2698
01:51:19,390 --> 01:51:16,199
saying it there's a merchandising from

2699
01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:21,830
Luke used to make me watch that with her

2700
01:51:28,490 --> 01:51:24,540
it was sexually really Luke I am your

2701
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:28,500
father Luke I am your father James Earl

2702
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:30,000
Jones saying it in interviews all over

2703
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:33,360
the place the line when I when I saw the

2704
01:51:38,689 --> 01:51:36,239
line Luke I am your father the line hold

2705
01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:38,699
on then when Lucas puts out his little

2706
01:51:45,050 --> 01:51:41,000
um ornaments

2707
01:51:46,609 --> 01:51:45,060
lucasfilms copyrighted trademarked

2708
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:46,619
did you pull a little string you press

2709
01:51:52,910 --> 01:51:50,880
the button look I am your father how can

2710
01:51:55,550 --> 01:51:52,920
you explain this and I mean it I want

2711
01:51:57,590 --> 01:51:55,560
you to explain that to me no I can't it

2712
01:52:00,010 --> 01:51:57,600
seems to me that this uh this

2713
01:52:03,590 --> 01:52:00,020
tantalizing weird stuff

2714
01:52:04,669 --> 01:52:03,600
glitches in The Matrix or something and

2715
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:04,679
by the way I'm going to give a shout out

2716
01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:08,400
to a guy named Jacobian a YouTuber uh

2717
01:52:13,490 --> 01:52:10,679
another YouTuber named Evan uh who has a

2718
01:52:14,590 --> 01:52:13,500
thing called the silver investor these

2719
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,600
guys have done incredible videos

2720
01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:17,280
Jacobian for one let's say he does an

2721
01:52:23,090 --> 01:52:19,560
Incredible video on songs that we've

2722
01:52:24,890 --> 01:52:23,100
known for years Jewel you know Jewel who

2723
01:52:28,669 --> 01:52:24,900
will save your soul

2724
01:52:32,350 --> 01:52:28,679
it used to be so now it's Souls on the

2725
01:52:35,689 --> 01:52:32,360
record she says who will save your souls

2726
01:52:38,930 --> 01:52:35,699
what every every time I've seen her sing

2727
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:38,940
the song Live who will save yourself

2728
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:42,960
so not Souls I remember in his soul

2729
01:52:47,450 --> 01:52:45,540
tooth this stuff drives me crazy because

2730
01:52:49,450 --> 01:52:47,460
I have a friend that's into this and he

2731
01:52:52,250 --> 01:52:49,460
sends me stuff occasionally

2732
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:52,260
recently I've seen the Fruit of the Loom

2733
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,199
thing I've seen the uh the the Monopoly

2734
01:52:59,930 --> 01:52:57,840
thing again and and many other examples

2735
01:53:02,689 --> 01:52:59,940
of this and I remember the Star Wars

2736
01:53:04,250 --> 01:53:02,699
example and I just can't explain it like

2737
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:04,260
I remember things a certain way

2738
01:53:09,169 --> 01:53:06,560
especially Sex in the City

2739
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:09,179
we are only looking just like a UFO

2740
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:12,060
video if I don't have a UFO video or

2741
01:53:17,810 --> 01:53:15,119
photo or film something going on here

2742
01:53:20,330 --> 01:53:17,820
I don't touch the story if I didn't have

2743
01:53:22,430 --> 01:53:20,340
this incredible residual

2744
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:22,440
base of research called residual

2745
01:53:26,270 --> 01:53:23,760
evidence the Mandela effect Community

2746
01:53:29,570 --> 01:53:26,280
has been building for years I was trying

2747
01:53:32,169 --> 01:53:29,580
to pitch a series about this to uh

2748
01:53:35,870 --> 01:53:32,179
Hollywood in

2749
01:53:39,590 --> 01:53:35,880
2016. that's how obvious it was to me

2750
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:39,600
that when you show the residual evidence

2751
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:43,440
all I'm saying is the evidence is a head

2752
01:53:48,290 --> 01:53:45,840
scratcher yeah people are people are

2753
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:48,300
giving examples what about Looney Tunes

2754
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:52,320
I remember a t-o-o-n-s so do I but it

2755
01:53:57,950 --> 01:53:54,320
has always been t-u-n-e-s

2756
01:54:00,890 --> 01:53:57,960
this is the era not you but the media

2757
01:54:03,229 --> 01:54:00,900
has noticed the popularity on YouTube

2758
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:03,239
and Tick Tock with the Mandela effect

2759
01:54:09,410 --> 01:54:06,840
phenomenon is off the charts you

2760
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:09,420
probably are looking at a billion that's

2761
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:13,199
a b a billion views on the Mandela

2762
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:15,360
effect between YouTube and Tick Tock

2763
01:54:19,390 --> 01:54:17,520
just I gotta get on this Bob and make

2764
01:54:22,609 --> 01:54:19,400
sure

2765
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:22,619
I I just felt I just kind of had a re a

2766
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:23,760
re-uh

2767
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,560
you will of some of the Chili Peppers I

2768
01:54:32,689 --> 01:54:30,000
I like I like to make that Chili Peppers

2769
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:32,699
a little bit I do when I moved to L.A I

2770
01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:34,080
like some of the music I like some of

2771
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:35,820
the way the bass lines and it's I do

2772
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:38,639
like a lot of it so I when I moved to LA

2773
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:41,280
they were singing the song You Know

2774
01:54:46,669 --> 01:54:43,920
under the bridge you know

2775
01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:46,679
you know this the famous line right

2776
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,159
in this yeah in the City of Angels

2777
01:54:56,090 --> 01:54:53,520
that's L.A City of Angels

2778
01:54:56,990 --> 01:54:56,100
Los Angeles guess what it is now on the

2779
01:55:01,070 --> 01:54:57,000
record

2780
01:55:02,450 --> 01:55:01,080
city of Angel Jacob Angel I'll be

2781
01:55:03,470 --> 01:55:02,460
sitting there sitting hopefully sitting

2782
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:03,480
in front

2783
01:55:09,070 --> 01:55:05,520
of the lead singer

2784
01:55:16,609 --> 01:55:13,430
let me ask you how did you run it with

2785
01:55:19,070 --> 01:55:16,619
the word Angel when I remember it very

2786
01:55:21,590 --> 01:55:19,080
vividly I was a New Yorker living here

2787
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:21,600
it made me feel good when I saw you

2788
01:55:26,090 --> 01:55:24,239
saying that because in the City of

2789
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:26,100
Angels it's like I'm here I'm with these

2790
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:28,260
people city of Angel would have freaked

2791
01:55:30,890 --> 01:55:29,280
me out

2792
01:55:33,229 --> 01:55:30,900
I would have been the city of Angel what

2793
01:55:35,629 --> 01:55:33,239
do you mean like other Angels here but

2794
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:35,639
you see the Angels is a takeoff on Los

2795
01:55:40,609 --> 01:55:36,840
Angeles

2796
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:40,619
Angels

2797
01:55:45,770 --> 01:55:43,260
you wouldn't play with that so I'm

2798
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:45,780
saying to you when he sings it now

2799
01:55:50,510 --> 01:55:48,719
it's City of Angels

2800
01:55:53,209 --> 01:55:50,520
try to explain that to me and by the way

2801
01:55:54,169 --> 01:55:53,219
another great one Britney Spears and

2802
01:55:55,790 --> 01:55:54,179
we're not we're going to do a lot more

2803
01:55:58,490 --> 01:55:55,800
than music music is like probably going

2804
01:56:00,669 --> 01:55:58,500
to be a small part of our show

2805
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:00,679
but in the famous

2806
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:04,320
Britney Spears doing that famous video

2807
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:07,679
where she's wearing a red outfit and

2808
01:56:12,410 --> 01:56:09,600
she's like on stage

2809
01:56:15,290 --> 01:56:12,420
and a lot of people a lot of people

2810
01:56:16,430 --> 01:56:15,300
remember her having a headset on

2811
01:56:18,290 --> 01:56:16,440
right

2812
01:56:21,310 --> 01:56:18,300
there's no headset on that now

2813
01:56:24,890 --> 01:56:21,320
and this guy Jacobian shows the evidence

2814
01:56:27,709 --> 01:56:24,900
that even in the video now where there

2815
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:27,719
is no headset she pantomimes like

2816
01:56:30,050 --> 01:56:29,400
there's headset there like she's fixing

2817
01:56:34,850 --> 01:56:30,060
it

2818
01:56:37,850 --> 01:56:34,860
those weird things that's been on my

2819
01:56:39,050 --> 01:56:37,860
list for a while it's tantalizing when

2820
01:56:41,450 --> 01:56:39,060
we do the movie when you you're gonna

2821
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:41,460
get a pre-screening oh look at that I'm

2822
01:56:45,590 --> 01:56:43,040
a female

2823
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:45,600
we're gonna bring you in baby you're

2824
01:56:50,810 --> 01:56:47,520
gonna see it all and then we have here

2825
01:56:53,209 --> 01:56:50,820
your politics so your politics uh is

2826
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:53,219
going to be one where we are going to

2827
01:56:57,470 --> 01:56:54,840
expose

2828
01:56:58,669 --> 01:56:57,480
the awful journalism done by my old

2829
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:58,679
favorite

2830
01:57:03,410 --> 01:57:01,199
serious newspaper the New York Times you

2831
01:57:05,810 --> 01:57:03,420
know when I was a kid I read Newsday in

2832
01:57:07,850 --> 01:57:05,820
the morning I read the New York Post in

2833
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:07,860
the afternoon and I read the New York

2834
01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:10,320
Times at night just to kind of get a

2835
01:57:15,290 --> 01:57:12,540
little bit of perspective the New York

2836
01:57:16,689 --> 01:57:15,300
Times has lost their way I don't care

2837
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,699
what Donald Trump said or didn't say

2838
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:18,960
that article

2839
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:20,880
on that story

2840
01:57:29,589 --> 01:57:24,239
would not get an A D in journalism

2841
01:57:35,750 --> 01:57:32,290
they didn't check anything

2842
01:57:38,450 --> 01:57:35,760
it was click bait click bait click bait

2843
01:57:40,669 --> 01:57:38,460
and for those people to have launched

2844
01:57:42,589 --> 01:57:40,679
what I believe Joyce Brady comes from

2845
01:57:45,050 --> 01:57:42,599
connoisseur from Ohio said very clearly

2846
01:57:49,510 --> 01:57:45,060
it's a regulation

2847
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:49,520
a plus stock scheme or better yet stock

2848
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:53,520
uh taking advantage of loopholes in the

2849
01:57:59,089 --> 01:57:57,119
regulation a plus uh organization they

2850
01:58:02,089 --> 01:57:59,099
need to get that thing worked out the

2851
01:58:04,030 --> 01:58:02,099
way you organize a stock under the

2852
01:58:08,450 --> 01:58:04,040
regulation a plus way

2853
01:58:11,390 --> 01:58:08,460
allows for all kinds of BS she calls it

2854
01:58:14,330 --> 01:58:11,400
a personal favorite of all the scams

2855
01:58:18,709 --> 01:58:14,340
that are under the regulation a plus

2856
01:58:20,169 --> 01:58:18,719
stock category that's right ttsa

2857
01:58:22,910 --> 01:58:20,179
scam

2858
01:58:25,490 --> 01:58:22,920
Elizondo apparently told someone it's

2859
01:58:27,649 --> 01:58:25,500
out there you can find it Elizondo told

2860
01:58:29,870 --> 01:58:27,659
someone apparently and I don't have the

2861
01:58:32,810 --> 01:58:29,880
facts I'm just saying what I'm hearing

2862
01:58:34,490 --> 01:58:32,820
he was wondering when

2863
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:34,500
Tom may be running into legal problems

2864
01:58:39,729 --> 01:58:37,440
over the whole thing yeah yeah there's a

2865
01:58:41,689 --> 01:58:39,739
blog post out there by Jeremy McGowan

2866
01:58:43,370 --> 01:58:41,699
yeah we'll get into the whole story

2867
01:58:44,990 --> 01:58:43,380
we'll get into it that's what I got to

2868
01:58:47,050 --> 01:58:45,000
hear about though real quickly before

2869
01:58:49,850 --> 01:58:47,060
you go Einsteins

2870
01:58:52,850 --> 01:58:49,860
Einstein's secret trip to view crashed

2871
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:52,860
UFO and aliens yes login interview tapes

2872
01:58:58,970 --> 01:58:55,040
the key would be the bottom part there

2873
01:59:00,950 --> 01:58:58,980
the Lost interview tapes

2874
01:59:02,810 --> 01:59:00,960
we have a woman

2875
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:02,820
named Shirley Franklin

2876
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:06,000
who many years ago interviewed a lady

2877
01:59:08,570 --> 01:59:07,679
okay I'm not going to say everything

2878
01:59:12,109 --> 01:59:08,580
about it because I want to give away

2879
01:59:13,790 --> 01:59:12,119
everything interviewed a lady on audio

2880
01:59:15,410 --> 01:59:13,800
who had been rumored in the UFO

2881
01:59:18,169 --> 01:59:15,420
Community for years

2882
01:59:19,850 --> 01:59:18,179
to have been Einstein's assistant at

2883
01:59:22,370 --> 01:59:19,860
Princeton University

2884
01:59:25,609 --> 01:59:22,380
when she was a apparently a very

2885
01:59:27,950 --> 01:59:25,619
attractive smart young student

2886
01:59:29,810 --> 01:59:27,960
she was considered to be one of the

2887
01:59:31,550 --> 01:59:29,820
brightest students in the country

2888
01:59:35,030 --> 01:59:31,560
as many people were brought to work with

2889
01:59:39,229 --> 01:59:35,040
Einstein in the summer of 1947 she says

2890
01:59:42,350 --> 01:59:39,239
she was taken with with Albert Einstein

2891
01:59:44,810 --> 01:59:42,360
to an area in New Mexico she's not sure

2892
01:59:46,609 --> 01:59:44,820
it was Roswell she believes here the

2893
01:59:49,370 --> 01:59:46,619
word Roswell mentioned

2894
01:59:52,729 --> 01:59:49,380
they were taken she says on audio in

2895
01:59:54,050 --> 01:59:52,739
great detail what occurred that audio is

2896
01:59:55,490 --> 01:59:54,060
going to be used

2897
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:55,500
to use something called virtual

2898
01:59:58,609 --> 01:59:56,639
production

2899
02:00:01,129 --> 01:59:58,619
where we're going to recreate the story

2900
02:00:02,990 --> 02:00:01,139
that she tells in this movie awesome

2901
02:00:07,129 --> 02:00:03,000
it's a howling story

2902
02:00:10,370 --> 02:00:07,139
she is taken by military escort

2903
02:00:13,430 --> 02:00:10,380
to this hanger type thing

2904
02:00:14,510 --> 02:00:13,440
the craft is there she describes it in

2905
02:00:16,850 --> 02:00:14,520
great detail

2906
02:00:19,010 --> 02:00:16,860
she describes the beans

2907
02:00:22,250 --> 02:00:19,020
many more than one

2908
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:22,260
apparently dead she describes some kind

2909
02:00:26,930 --> 02:00:24,000
of communication going on with

2910
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:26,940
Scientists she describes what they look

2911
02:00:30,649 --> 02:00:29,280
like she describes what they where they

2912
02:00:32,750 --> 02:00:30,659
say they came from

2913
02:00:35,209 --> 02:00:32,760
she also finds out that there's a living

2914
02:00:38,270 --> 02:00:35,219
one 40 miles away

2915
02:00:40,729 --> 02:00:38,280
they drive 40 miles away they want that

2916
02:00:43,729 --> 02:00:40,739
Einstein to check out the living one the

2917
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:43,739
living room for a while no we don't we

2918
02:00:48,609 --> 02:00:46,320
don't say the story is true I believe it

2919
02:00:51,890 --> 02:00:48,619
will be probably called be renamed

2920
02:00:54,050 --> 02:00:51,900
Einstein's Roswell whatever or we don't

2921
02:00:57,109 --> 02:00:54,060
know it's Roswell that's the key Point

2922
02:00:58,490 --> 02:00:57,119
here we don't know that so there's

2923
02:00:59,890 --> 02:00:58,500
somebody working with me that you guys

2924
02:01:02,450 --> 02:00:59,900
know very well

2925
02:01:04,790 --> 02:01:02,460
Manny is the guy behind who's Lou

2926
02:01:08,089 --> 02:01:04,800
remember him yeah and then a little bit

2927
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:08,099
Yeah Manny I got together because

2928
02:01:12,830 --> 02:01:10,320
there's a journalist in uh in Washington

2929
02:01:14,810 --> 02:01:12,840
DC who felt that Manny and I would have

2930
02:01:18,649 --> 02:01:14,820
a lot to talk about regarding Lou

2931
02:01:20,089 --> 02:01:18,659
Alexander and all that crap so Manny is

2932
02:01:22,250 --> 02:01:20,099
working with me on some things now doing

2933
02:01:24,530 --> 02:01:22,260
a great job and Manny brought up a good

2934
02:01:26,990 --> 02:01:24,540
point Manny said you know Bob we don't

2935
02:01:28,490 --> 02:01:27,000
know it's Roswell we're not really sure

2936
02:01:30,410 --> 02:01:28,500
of that we don't know that and we don't

2937
02:01:32,930 --> 02:01:30,420
we don't know how that but we believe

2938
02:01:35,629 --> 02:01:32,940
based on what we're hearing that it

2939
02:01:37,550 --> 02:01:35,639
probably was Rob's well it probably was

2940
02:01:40,750 --> 02:01:37,560
that time if it was true and we're going

2941
02:01:45,530 --> 02:01:40,760
to analyze that audio like a forensic

2942
02:01:49,129 --> 02:01:45,540
FBI meets the CIA meets the NSA whatever

2943
02:01:51,169 --> 02:01:49,139
level of veracity we can get from the

2944
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:51,179
audio of her voice

2945
02:01:54,589 --> 02:01:53,040
you know the Israelis came out with a

2946
02:01:56,290 --> 02:01:54,599
technique years ago called layered voice

2947
02:01:59,030 --> 02:01:56,300
analysis

2948
02:02:00,890 --> 02:01:59,040
I introduced it at fact or fake because

2949
02:02:03,229 --> 02:02:00,900
I'm pretty fairly friendly with the

2950
02:02:05,149 --> 02:02:03,239
people behind that in Israel and they've

2951
02:02:07,550 --> 02:02:05,159
agreed they've agreed to look at this

2952
02:02:09,050 --> 02:02:07,560
audio using the kind of thing that you

2953
02:02:11,689 --> 02:02:09,060
know Mossad would look at you know what

2954
02:02:13,669 --> 02:02:11,699
I mean so we would that's the Secret

2955
02:02:16,149 --> 02:02:13,679
Service you know of you know Israel you

2956
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:16,159
know their CIA

2957
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:18,480
it's not serious you're correct me right

2958
02:02:22,609 --> 02:02:19,920
not the Secret Service Secrets kind of

2959
02:02:25,010 --> 02:02:22,619
like investigation group so my view of

2960
02:02:26,810 --> 02:02:25,020
it is we want to look at that we want to

2961
02:02:28,370 --> 02:02:26,820
make sure we tell the public and using

2962
02:02:30,649 --> 02:02:28,380
this new virtual production techniques

2963
02:02:33,229 --> 02:02:30,659
you're going to see a level of detail of

2964
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:33,239
of like realism that no one's ever seen

2965
02:02:37,970 --> 02:02:35,520
before we're going to treat her as a

2966
02:02:40,910 --> 02:02:37,980
star witness on audio that we're going

2967
02:02:43,129 --> 02:02:40,920
to create exactly what she says right

2968
02:02:45,950 --> 02:02:43,139
down to the look of the creatures the

2969
02:02:48,350 --> 02:02:45,960
look of the uh the UFO where she said it

2970
02:02:54,129 --> 02:02:48,360
was this is my favorite of these new

2971
02:02:58,370 --> 02:02:56,930
we're going to do all the proper vetting

2972
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,380
and tell what's true about this whole

2973
02:03:03,709 --> 02:03:00,719
nonsense but we're also going to tell

2974
02:03:07,070 --> 02:03:03,719
what we believe representative Gallagher

2975
02:03:09,770 --> 02:03:07,080
who's from I believe Wisconsin

2976
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:09,780
he's a republican congressman and at

2977
02:03:14,089 --> 02:03:11,520
that UFO hearing they had I'm not going

2978
02:03:16,370 --> 02:03:14,099
to say UAB and that UFO Hearing in may

2979
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:16,380
he brought up the most important part of

2980
02:03:21,649 --> 02:03:18,239
this whole flap that's happened

2981
02:03:24,350 --> 02:03:21,659
that UFOs have been mostly seen in the

2982
02:03:27,950 --> 02:03:24,360
government's concern around nuclear

2983
02:03:31,010 --> 02:03:27,960
weapons nuclear missile tests yeah

2984
02:03:33,169 --> 02:03:31,020
that's not a coincidence even these two

2985
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:33,179
videos that were released by The New

2986
02:03:37,669 --> 02:03:34,400
York Times

2987
02:03:41,330 --> 02:03:37,679
allegedly were shot during nuclear

2988
02:03:42,589 --> 02:03:41,340
carrier exercises that's the hook that's

2989
02:03:45,109 --> 02:03:42,599
we want to start telling people about

2990
02:03:47,330 --> 02:03:45,119
and even in my alien autopsy show the

2991
02:03:49,250 --> 02:03:47,340
very first Graphics you see

2992
02:03:51,290 --> 02:03:49,260
in the opening of the show it happens

2993
02:03:54,410 --> 02:03:51,300
real quick you see what my graphics

2994
02:03:56,330 --> 02:03:54,420
people did they show the bomb dropping

2995
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:56,340
on Hiroshima

2996
02:04:01,370 --> 02:04:00,239
the the uh the uh UFOs flying in or UFO

2997
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:01,380
flying in

2998
02:04:05,149 --> 02:04:03,360
people are getting to know me tonight I

2999
02:04:08,270 --> 02:04:05,159
believe the biggest connection there is

3000
02:04:11,870 --> 02:04:08,280
and why I stay focused on UFOs

3001
02:04:14,209 --> 02:04:11,880
is if you follow what occurred in 1945

3002
02:04:16,430 --> 02:04:14,219
and 1947

3003
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:16,440
a fiction writer couldn't make this up

3004
02:04:21,770 --> 02:04:19,199
if they tried Steve you are the nuclear

3005
02:04:25,430 --> 02:04:21,780
you have a nuclear you have a nuclear a

3006
02:04:27,410 --> 02:04:25,440
nuclear air Wing the 509th bomb Wing the

3007
02:04:29,950 --> 02:04:27,420
only one in the world the least only one

3008
02:04:33,609 --> 02:04:29,960
in the world based in Roswell

3009
02:04:37,310 --> 02:04:33,619
practicing to drop nuclear bombs

3010
02:04:39,250 --> 02:04:37,320
eventually you launch your nuclear

3011
02:04:43,129 --> 02:04:39,260
attack

3012
02:04:44,570 --> 02:04:43,139
bomb Wing based in Roswell you dropped

3013
02:04:46,010 --> 02:04:44,580
the bomb they killed a hundred thousand

3014
02:04:48,169 --> 02:04:46,020
human beings

3015
02:04:50,689 --> 02:04:48,179
aliens

3016
02:04:52,010 --> 02:04:50,699
could have been very concerned that we

3017
02:04:55,310 --> 02:04:52,020
have Rockets

3018
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:55,320
and we have nuclear weapons yeah Freeman

3019
02:04:59,689 --> 02:04:57,360
used to say that kids failed the matches

3020
02:05:02,390 --> 02:04:59,699
so where would the but where would the

3021
02:05:06,169 --> 02:05:02,400
first UFO crash occur

3022
02:05:08,450 --> 02:05:06,179
allegedly right there where we launched

3023
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:08,460
our first Air Attack

3024
02:05:12,589 --> 02:05:10,320
killing human beings

3025
02:05:14,930 --> 02:05:12,599
so I used to have on my loose leaf in

3026
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:14,940
grade school he's gonna date me now

3027
02:05:17,870 --> 02:05:16,560
I used to have this on my grade school

3028
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,880
because I've always been a writer you

3029
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:19,920
know my grade screwed Loosely you know

3030
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:21,840
the old loose Leafs you know I write

3031
02:05:27,050 --> 02:05:25,199
this down all the time mankind has the

3032
02:05:29,930 --> 02:05:27,060
power of the Sun

3033
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:29,940
but do we have the spiritual and

3034
02:05:35,149 --> 02:05:32,639
intellectual ability to control it

3035
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:35,159
I believe that when I was 17 years old I

3036
02:05:39,649 --> 02:05:38,159
believe it now we don't we don't have

3037
02:05:42,109 --> 02:05:39,659
that and by the way one thing George

3038
02:05:43,550 --> 02:05:42,119
Knapp and I bonded on years ago which

3039
02:05:45,649 --> 02:05:43,560
believe it or not I think I'll even get

3040
02:05:47,450 --> 02:05:45,659
George to come on the show and talk a

3041
02:05:49,089 --> 02:05:47,460
little bit about you politics and what

3042
02:05:52,850 --> 02:05:49,099
happened here

3043
02:05:54,350 --> 02:05:52,860
so George would admit Bob you and I we

3044
02:05:58,970 --> 02:05:54,360
cut our teeth together

3045
02:06:01,490 --> 02:05:58,980
on the nuclear issue and the Russians

3046
02:06:04,910 --> 02:06:01,500
and us

3047
02:06:08,750 --> 02:06:04,920
have talked about it you know Gorbachev

3048
02:06:10,430 --> 02:06:08,760
and Reagan had a hell of a relationship

3049
02:06:12,290 --> 02:06:10,440
one of the things I always wanted to do

3050
02:06:15,229 --> 02:06:12,300
is I wanted to interview Gorbachev about

3051
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:15,239
his release break and push

3052
02:06:19,609 --> 02:06:17,280
there's one thing I want viewers to know

3053
02:06:21,770 --> 02:06:19,619
about and I can't show it today

3054
02:06:24,350 --> 02:06:21,780
but a researcher said this to me years

3055
02:06:26,689 --> 02:06:24,360
ago and Steve because you are like a

3056
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:26,699
kindred spirit I'll tell you the story

3057
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:29,520
off camera one day and then if you want

3058
02:06:31,250 --> 02:06:30,480
me to come out I'll tell you the full

3059
02:06:33,770 --> 02:06:31,260
story

3060
02:06:36,109 --> 02:06:33,780
sure I got this i got this from a top

3061
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:36,119
researcher from the East Coast I'm

3062
02:06:40,070 --> 02:06:37,440
living in LA

3063
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,080
it's like 1992

3064
02:06:45,950 --> 02:06:42,239
and the Helsinki Accords are going on

3065
02:06:48,229 --> 02:06:45,960
between Bush and Gorbachev so bush is

3066
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:48,239
now replaced Reagan he's at the end of

3067
02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:49,679
his presidency

3068
02:06:52,609 --> 02:06:51,480
he's not going to get reelected if it

3069
02:06:54,070 --> 02:06:52,619
happens that turns out he doesn't get

3070
02:06:57,050 --> 02:06:54,080
reelected

3071
02:06:59,410 --> 02:06:57,060
Helsinki he's being asked questions by

3072
02:07:02,330 --> 02:06:59,420
the Press so Gorbachev is on one side

3073
02:07:04,490 --> 02:07:02,340
bush is on the other stage and the

3074
02:07:06,530 --> 02:07:04,500
person goes Mr Gorbachev Mr President

3075
02:07:09,470 --> 02:07:06,540
can you tell us what this great feeling

3076
02:07:11,870 --> 02:07:09,480
of Goodwill is between you and the

3077
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:11,880
United States president

3078
02:07:18,530 --> 02:07:14,400
and he starts to speak and he goes

3079
02:07:20,990 --> 02:07:18,540
well the president and I have a big

3080
02:07:22,370 --> 02:07:21,000
secret as he starts to say the word

3081
02:07:24,290 --> 02:07:22,380
Secret

3082
02:07:29,209 --> 02:07:24,300
I swear I'm going to imitate you but he

3083
02:07:32,570 --> 02:07:29,219
did he pulls back Bush grabs his chair

3084
02:07:35,089 --> 02:07:32,580
turns the chair around and stares down

3085
02:07:38,990 --> 02:07:35,099
Gorbachev like you've never seen

3086
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,000
Now CNN had more than one camera

3087
02:07:43,609 --> 02:07:41,280
and I'm going to be pestering CNN like

3088
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:43,619
you've never seen for the Helsinki

3089
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:45,840
Accord tapes

3090
02:07:52,129 --> 02:07:49,440
92 now we're talking so Helsinki happens

3091
02:07:53,330 --> 02:07:52,139
and Gorbachev shuts up like in

3092
02:07:55,010 --> 02:07:53,340
mid-sentence

3093
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:55,020
it's like you're with your uncle and

3094
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:56,400
your uncle doesn't want you to tell your

3095
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:58,880
mom something or Your Wife

3096
02:08:04,609 --> 02:08:02,159
puts his chair up and he stares you down

3097
02:08:05,390 --> 02:08:04,619
don't you average mention what I told

3098
02:08:08,450 --> 02:08:05,400
you

3099
02:08:10,930 --> 02:08:08,460
now look the person that sent me that is

3100
02:08:14,209 --> 02:08:10,940
a prominent prominent paranormal

3101
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:14,219
researcher type guy but I will say this

3102
02:08:20,209 --> 02:08:17,520
before this paranormal word ever came in

3103
02:08:22,609 --> 02:08:20,219
he was a good science journalist

3104
02:08:24,350 --> 02:08:22,619
over the years I think he just kind of

3105
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:24,360
drank the Kool-Aid a little bit too much

3106
02:08:29,089 --> 02:08:27,119
in certain things but I think that's a

3107
02:08:31,189 --> 02:08:29,099
common occurrence I still yeah I still

3108
02:08:33,410 --> 02:08:31,199
think he's one of the top top

3109
02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:33,420
researchers

3110
02:08:38,089 --> 02:08:35,280
back in the day

3111
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:38,099
when he told me this I didn't believe

3112
02:08:40,850 --> 02:08:38,880
him

3113
02:08:43,310 --> 02:08:40,860
when I watch the tape

3114
02:08:44,570 --> 02:08:43,320
I couldn't stop looking at it now

3115
02:08:46,490 --> 02:08:44,580
unfortunately

3116
02:08:48,589 --> 02:08:46,500
moved around a lot over the years I

3117
02:08:50,149 --> 02:08:48,599
don't have a copy of the tape it was a

3118
02:08:52,070 --> 02:08:50,159
VHS

3119
02:08:53,950 --> 02:08:52,080
I'll tell you right now

3120
02:08:56,570 --> 02:08:53,960
everyone in the world should see that

3121
02:08:58,070 --> 02:08:56,580
now Bob how do you know it was about

3122
02:09:00,770 --> 02:08:58,080
UFOs

3123
02:09:02,930 --> 02:09:00,780
Reagan's letter to me

3124
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:02,940
somewhere around the same time

3125
02:09:07,729 --> 02:09:05,760
a little bit early maybe a year earlier

3126
02:09:10,010 --> 02:09:07,739
Gorbachev and Reagan brought the world

3127
02:09:12,649 --> 02:09:10,020
to a level of peace that we've never

3128
02:09:14,450 --> 02:09:12,659
seen I remember that I don't know look

3129
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,460
where we are now we got this little guy

3130
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:16,560
sitting there independent in in a Putin

3131
02:09:19,850 --> 02:09:18,719
sitting there in the Kremlin threatening

3132
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:19,860
nuclear war

3133
02:09:27,890 --> 02:09:24,560
well

3134
02:09:29,570 --> 02:09:27,900
Gorbachev and Reagan bonding Gorbachev

3135
02:09:32,089 --> 02:09:29,580
has been on the record Gorbachev told

3136
02:09:34,370 --> 02:09:32,099
everybody they talked about UFOs a lot

3137
02:09:37,850 --> 02:09:34,380
break it in you can look it up

3138
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:37,860
so my feeling is Reagan believed

3139
02:09:42,169 --> 02:09:39,840
he is so real UFOs

3140
02:09:44,450 --> 02:09:42,179
there's a book Lucy Lucy book Lucille

3141
02:09:48,290 --> 02:09:44,460
Ball wrote and in that book Lucille Ball

3142
02:09:51,050 --> 02:09:48,300
writes Reagan came with Nancy to one of

3143
02:09:54,050 --> 02:09:51,060
the parties in Hollywood yeah they told

3144
02:09:54,770 --> 02:09:54,060
the story there so Ashley faced freaked

3145
02:09:57,530 --> 02:09:54,780
out

3146
02:09:59,209 --> 02:09:57,540
sorry UFO I Believe by Topanga Canyon in

3147
02:10:00,649 --> 02:09:59,219
LA area where I know very well still

3148
02:10:01,550 --> 02:10:00,659
live near there

3149
02:10:04,010 --> 02:10:01,560
um

3150
02:10:06,109 --> 02:10:04,020
you can make this stuff up Steve what

3151
02:10:09,410 --> 02:10:06,119
I'm telling you right now is evidentiary

3152
02:10:11,629 --> 02:10:09,420
now you might say Reagan saw something

3153
02:10:13,609 --> 02:10:11,639
when he was not even Governor yet then

3154
02:10:15,229 --> 02:10:13,619
saw something when he was governor

3155
02:10:17,930 --> 02:10:15,239
then believed it when he was doing the

3156
02:10:19,729 --> 02:10:17,940
Star Wars defense systems maybe the Star

3157
02:10:22,430 --> 02:10:19,739
Wars defense system initiative was based

3158
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:22,440
on UFO fear how about those speeches he

3159
02:10:28,910 --> 02:10:24,719
made I often wondered if we were ever

3160
02:10:33,169 --> 02:10:28,920
visited or I often wondered that sent 25

3161
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:33,179
UFO documentaries you win he did it I

3162
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:35,760
believe it falls him he did a three

3163
02:10:38,570 --> 02:10:36,960
different places I did a story about

3164
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:38,580
this years ago in New York

3165
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:41,520
he did it in three different places his

3166
02:10:47,209 --> 02:10:44,159
scriptwriters were writing it in

3167
02:10:50,330 --> 02:10:47,219
making the connection that if UFOs are

3168
02:10:54,370 --> 02:10:50,340
real and they ever challenge you America

3169
02:10:56,990 --> 02:10:54,380
or the world we would bond together

3170
02:10:59,149 --> 02:10:57,000
I think that he was right we would you

3171
02:11:02,149 --> 02:10:59,159
know our little petty differences would

3172
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:02,159
go away if it was human versus alien

3173
02:11:09,050 --> 02:11:05,280
Reagan to me one thing about Ronald

3174
02:11:12,109 --> 02:11:09,060
Reagan uh is to me there was an

3175
02:11:14,330 --> 02:11:12,119
authenticity there on some things and

3176
02:11:16,370 --> 02:11:14,340
this is one of them when it came to UFOs

3177
02:11:18,649 --> 02:11:16,380
I have the letter I'll share it with you

3178
02:11:20,270 --> 02:11:18,659
it's not that I want to make that Ronald

3179
02:11:21,950 --> 02:11:20,280
Reagan inspired me

3180
02:11:23,570 --> 02:11:21,960
but I was sitting in my offices with a

3181
02:11:25,070 --> 02:11:23,580
relative of heirs now can be told for

3182
02:11:27,050 --> 02:11:25,080
Tribune entertainment we're doing a

3183
02:11:28,729 --> 02:11:27,060
one-year news magazine

3184
02:11:30,589 --> 02:11:28,739
I'm I was staring at that letter for

3185
02:11:32,450 --> 02:11:30,599
like two days one of the guys used to

3186
02:11:34,370 --> 02:11:32,460
work at 2020 an old friend of mine he's

3187
02:11:35,750 --> 02:11:34,380
a friend of mine he couldn't believe it

3188
02:11:37,970 --> 02:11:35,760
when they came in on the facts he's like

3189
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:37,980
Bob I don't believe that this guy Mark

3190
02:11:43,310 --> 02:11:40,400
yeah okay so let him from Ronald Reagan

3191
02:11:46,990 --> 02:11:43,320
brought you back it's like

3192
02:11:50,629 --> 02:11:47,000
I said Mark I'm on to something here

3193
02:11:52,490 --> 02:11:50,639
well Gorbachev and Reagan two guys we

3194
02:11:54,649 --> 02:11:52,500
lost too bad we don't have those two to

3195
02:11:56,510 --> 02:11:54,659
talk to and we're going back in time now

3196
02:11:58,970 --> 02:11:56,520
Steve so you know what great to have you

3197
02:12:01,070 --> 02:11:58,980
with me so my bottom line for you is I

3198
02:12:03,169 --> 02:12:01,080
would love you to be part

3199
02:12:05,629 --> 02:12:03,179
definitely when we go you follow things

3200
02:12:08,270 --> 02:12:05,639
and anything you need you contact me I'd

3201
02:12:10,910 --> 02:12:08,280
be happy I'm I'm uh you know very

3202
02:12:13,189 --> 02:12:10,920
friendly with Manny and a big fan of

3203
02:12:15,410 --> 02:12:13,199
your previous work as well so I would

3204
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:15,420
love to be in on that and that's the

3205
02:12:18,709 --> 02:12:16,800
thing about yeah the thing about the

3206
02:12:19,609 --> 02:12:18,719
investment is this look it's not for

3207
02:12:21,410 --> 02:12:19,619
everybody

3208
02:12:24,350 --> 02:12:21,420
if people have an interest in getting

3209
02:12:26,570 --> 02:12:24,360
involved in in being part of investing

3210
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:26,580
investing in TV and film shows because

3211
02:12:30,589 --> 02:12:27,840
what will happen it'll be kind of

3212
02:12:31,850 --> 02:12:30,599
reverse we'll release this as a movie

3213
02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:31,860
and it'll probably be picked up by one

3214
02:12:35,510 --> 02:12:33,599
of the TV stations an hour later you

3215
02:12:36,830 --> 02:12:35,520
know one of the channels so I used to do

3216
02:12:39,530 --> 02:12:36,840
it where it goes the other way where I

3217
02:12:41,450 --> 02:12:39,540
aired on television and then I go to VHS

3218
02:12:42,890 --> 02:12:41,460
yeah yeah so now it's going to be a

3219
02:12:45,290 --> 02:12:42,900
little different road but I want people

3220
02:12:47,149 --> 02:12:45,300
to come along with us and I will be

3221
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:47,159
announcing a little more about the

3222
02:12:51,050 --> 02:12:49,920
marketing method and it does have an

3223
02:12:53,569 --> 02:12:51,060
interesting

3224
02:12:54,890 --> 02:12:53,579
um provenance and now you hear about the

3225
02:12:57,830 --> 02:12:54,900
development of this other marketing

3226
02:13:00,589 --> 02:12:57,840
method you're gonna go I see you're

3227
02:13:04,490 --> 02:13:00,599
using what others have tested

3228
02:13:06,109 --> 02:13:04,500
with we'll call it other type of content

3229
02:13:08,750 --> 02:13:06,119
and now you're coming in with your

3230
02:13:11,689 --> 02:13:08,760
content maximizing that

3231
02:13:13,069 --> 02:13:11,699
nothing you know sounds good and uh I

3232
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:13,079
hope you won't be a stranger and come

3233
02:13:17,149 --> 02:13:15,599
back and talk about some other uh some

3234
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:17,159
other topics especially when you get

3235
02:13:22,209 --> 02:13:19,440
some of these projects loaded locked and

3236
02:13:24,350 --> 02:13:22,219
loaded and trailers

3237
02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:24,360
Mandela effect has already been picked

3238
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:26,159
up by a distributor the one we're

3239
02:13:29,810 --> 02:13:27,840
talking congratulations yeah it'll be

3240
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:29,820
it'll be announced in the media probably

3241
02:13:34,250 --> 02:13:32,400
within a week or two the second you hear

3242
02:13:36,109 --> 02:13:34,260
about it if anybody contacts you please

3243
02:13:37,790 --> 02:13:36,119
let me know we would love them to be

3244
02:13:38,990 --> 02:13:37,800
part of it any way they want to be if

3245
02:13:40,370 --> 02:13:39,000
they want to just kind of go along for

3246
02:13:42,770 --> 02:13:40,380
the ride and see how we put together the

3247
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:42,780
Mandela effect issues what's causing it

3248
02:13:48,649 --> 02:13:46,400
is it CERN is it some sort of weird

3249
02:13:50,270 --> 02:13:48,659
inter-dimensional issue that occurred is

3250
02:13:53,209 --> 02:13:50,280
it just something well this is in The

3251
02:13:54,770 --> 02:13:53,219
Matrix that's for sure is it like Elon

3252
02:13:56,089 --> 02:13:54,780
Musk has indicated is it some sort of

3253
02:13:58,129 --> 02:13:56,099
proof that we're living in some sort of

3254
02:14:01,010 --> 02:13:58,139
like simulation and someone's editing

3255
02:14:02,930 --> 02:14:01,020
Society editing Reality by the way one

3256
02:14:04,609 --> 02:14:02,940
last thing for that whole show you know

3257
02:14:07,729 --> 02:14:04,619
there are people that have said this

3258
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:07,739
doesn't have any proof wait to see the

3259
02:14:12,729 --> 02:14:10,560
amount of proof we show it's gonna blow

3260
02:14:15,709 --> 02:14:12,739
people's minds

3261
02:14:17,390 --> 02:14:15,719
well I'm looking forward to seeing it so

3262
02:14:19,010 --> 02:14:17,400
we're we're over time I want to thank

3263
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:19,020
you for doing this and don't be a

3264
02:14:22,970 --> 02:14:20,639
stranger I'm gonna throw you out of here

3265
02:14:24,770 --> 02:14:22,980
and uh let's say goodbye to the audience

3266
02:14:27,709 --> 02:14:24,780
if you want to stand by I'll be right

3267
02:14:29,450 --> 02:14:27,719
back to you okay

3268
02:14:32,450 --> 02:14:29,460
all right friends what an amazing

3269
02:14:36,169 --> 02:14:32,460
interview and uh you can follow of

3270
02:14:37,970 --> 02:14:36,179
course Bob on Twitter and I will put his

3271
02:14:42,490 --> 02:14:37,980
Twitter in the description of the video

3272
02:14:45,470 --> 02:14:42,500
but it's at uh kiviat films

3273
02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:45,480
k-i-v-i-a-t films on Twitter I will add

3274
02:14:49,790 --> 02:14:47,760
it to the description of the video we're

3275
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:49,800
overtime friends and I have some editing

3276
02:14:55,550 --> 02:14:54,000
to do tonight so uh we will I I did uh

3277
02:14:57,950 --> 02:14:55,560
thank everybody for the super chats

3278
02:14:59,209 --> 02:14:57,960
we'll read them all on uh the very next

3279
02:15:02,390 --> 02:14:59,219
show we do

3280
02:15:04,370 --> 02:15:02,400
uh boy what an amazing connection to my

3281
02:15:06,050 --> 02:15:04,380
childhood this has been really fun for

3282
02:15:08,089 --> 02:15:06,060
me and I hope it was for you as well

3283
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:08,099
friends until next time my name is

3284
02:15:14,350 --> 02:15:10,560
Stephen cambian good night and God bless

3285
02:15:38,530 --> 02:15:34,740
[Music]

3286
02:15:44,330 --> 02:15:40,910
thank you

3287
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:33,310
[Music]

3288
02:16:38,270 --> 02:16:34,559
[Applause]

3289
02:16:38,280 --> 02:17:00,469
[Music]

3290
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:15,910
foreign

3291
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:19,879
thank you

3292
02:17:48,169 --> 02:17:38,650
[Music]

3293
02:17:51,169 --> 02:17:49,910
next question Jeff where are you right

3294
02:17:54,349 --> 02:17:51,179
there yeah

3295
02:17:55,669 --> 02:17:54,359
um I just want to thank each and every

3296
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:55,679
one of y'all

3297
02:18:07,730 --> 02:18:04,310
it's still real to me damn it I mean

3298
02:18:11,209 --> 02:18:07,740
thank you man thank you all guys

3299
02:18:14,330 --> 02:18:11,219
you're awesome thank you so much Mr for

3300
02:18:18,950 --> 02:18:14,340
saying what needed to be said I don't

3301
02:18:24,410 --> 02:18:21,889
now God damn it Bobby I don't care what

3302
02:18:27,049 --> 02:18:24,420
Chris Mellon said on Fox News you're not

3303
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:27,059
giving money to that Blink 182 fella

3304
02:18:32,270 --> 02:18:29,760
what day they promised to build a

3305
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:32,280
spaceship no one's building a spaceship

3306
02:18:44,570 --> 02:18:34,800
Bobby but the Daily Mail reported that

3307
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:50,150
hahaha

3308
02:18:50,160 --> 02:19:04,610
101

3309
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:11,270
[Music]

3310
02:19:15,410 --> 02:19:13,439
hello I'm Tom Delong and thanks for

3311
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:15,420
joining us live today uh this quote

3312
02:19:18,530 --> 02:19:17,219
above me actually happened to me this

3313
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:18,540
past year